What is LDL? Why is it important?Counseling patients on the role of different fats, and their association with the risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD) can be a difficult task. There are many types and subtypes of fats and, most of them play an important role for bodily functions. Furthermore, a correlation between plasma measurements of different subtypes of fats or lipoproteins and the risk for heart disease, does not have to imply a causative relationship. Cholesterol is the type of fat that most often is associated with the risk of heart disease. High blood levels of cholesterol, low density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) in particular, have been associated with increased risk. Although disputed by many, it has been proposed that cholesterol may play a causative role in CVD. Lowering blood levels of LDL-C is generally recommended to reduce the risk of CVD.


Large and small LDL particles                                                                                                           

Triglycerides are the largest category of lipids in the human body and in our diet. About two percent of dietary lipids are phospholipids. Only a small percent of our dietary lipids are sterols. The most common animal sterol is cholesterol. To be able to travel outside cells and in the circulation, cholesterol molecules are tied to different types of proteins. The term lipoprotein describes these combinations of fats and protein.

Most people are aware that there are two types of cholesterol, depending on the types of proteins that carry the cholesterol molecules. High density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C) is often termed the “good” cholesterol while LDL-C is usually termed the “bad” cholesterol. HDL and LDL are two of five major lipoproteins that enable transport of different fat molecules, including cholesterol. The other lipoproteins are chylomicrons, IDL (intermediate density lipoprotein) and VLDL (very low density lipoprotein, mainly triglycerides).

LDL is the lipoprotein particle that is mostly involved in atherosclerosis. LDL particles exist in different sizes. On one hand there are the large, fluffy, cotton-ball like molecules, and on the other hand the small dense molecules. Many recent studies have looked into the importance of LDL-particle size. Studies show that people whose LDL particles are predominantly small and dense, have a threefold greater risk of coronary heart disease. Furthermore, the large and fluffy type of LDL may be protective. However, it is possible that the association between small LDL and heart disease reflects an increased number of LDL particles in patients with small particles. Therefore, the number of LDL particles could be more important in terms of risk than particle size in itself.

There is an inverse correlation between blood levels of triglycerides and particle size. Thus, the higher your triglycerides, the higher the number of small LDL particles. Conversely, the lower your triglycerides, the higher the number of large, fluffy LDL particles.


What is LDL-P and why is it important?

LDL-C is usually calculated using the Friedewald equation. However, this measure can underestimate LDL-C level as triglycerides increase. Direct LDL-C measurements are also available and better reveal individual issues, but are less often promoted or done due to slightly higher costs. LDL-C reflects the total content or concentration of cholesterol within LDL-C particles in mg/ml or mmol/L. Since the amount of cholesterol in each particle may vary, measuring LDL-C does not necessarily reflect the actual number of particles.

LDL-P (LDL particle number) measures the actual number of LDL particles (particle concentration, nmol/L). It appears that LDL-P may be a stronger predictor of cardiovascular events than LDL-C. Low LDL-P is a much stronger predictor of low risk than low LDL-C. In fact, about 30 – 40% of those with low LDL-C may have elevated LDL-P. Therefore you can have low LDL-C but still be at risk for CVD, particularly if your LDL-P is elevated. Discordance is when LDL-C differs from LDL-P.

Lipoproteins play an essential role for the initiation and progression of atherosclerosis. Therefore it is very important for us to understand what regulates the production and clearance of atherogenic lipoprotein particles and how these mechanisms may be influenced. LDL-C is only a measure of the cholesterol mass within LDL-particles. Thus, LDL-C only indirectly reflects the atherogenic potential of LDL particles. Apolipoprotein B (apoB) and LDL-P on the other hand reflect the number of atherogenic particles, with no mention of cholesterol mass. Therefore apoB and LDL-P are believed to be better risk predictors than LDL-C.

In a consensus statement from 2008 on lipoprotein management in patients with cardiometabolic risk, the American College of Cardiology and the American Diabetes Association recommended more prominent roles of apoB and LDL-P as target of therapy

Some patients with low LDL-C may have elevated LDL-P and the other way around. This may explain why so many patients who suffer a heart attack do not have elevated levels of LDL-C.


Reference range for LDL-P

LDL-P is measured by a so-called NMR lipid profile test. A value of less than 1.000 is considered ideal. Above 2.000 is considered very high.

  • Ideal: <1000
  • Moderate: 1000-1299
  • Borderline High: 1300-1599
  • High: >1600


How to lower LDL-P

Much has been written about how to lower LDL-C. Most doctors will recommend eating less fat and cholesterol from meat and dairy products. Statin therapy significantly lowers LDL-C. However, therapies may affect LDL-P differently. Interventions that will lower LDL-C more than LDL-P include statins, estrogen replacement therapy, some antiretrovirals, and a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet. Interventions that lower LDL-P more than LDL-C include fibrates, niacin, pioglitazone, omega-3 fatty acids, exercise, Mediterranean and low carbohydrate diets. Although statins lower LDL-P, they may leave a significant number of patients above the LDL-P target.

Patients with high levels of triglycerides and low HDL-C  are likely to have high LDL-P despite normal or low LDL-C. Such a lipid profile is typical for individuals with the metabolic syndrome. Studies indicate that these patients may benefit most from low carbohydrate diets and that carbohydrate restriction reduces LDL-P.


Dr. Thomas Dayspring MD gives a fantastic explanation of LDL particle number in CVD.


  1. LDL-C and total cholesterol have never been particularly good predictors of who will develop clogged arteries. However, total cholesterol strongly correlates with all cause mortality risk. For example, as total cholesterol rises above 240, there appears to be some increased risk for cardiovascular disease. As total cholesterol drops below 200 there is a steep rise in mortality from infections, parasites, and cancers and increased risk of violent death. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/O-Primitivo-Cholesterol.jpg

    Unfortunately, last I heard, the American Heart Association was still recommending that total cholesterol be artificially depressed below 200 to decrease risk of heart attack. http://www.theheart.org/article/1371059.do

    Yet researchers at Texas A&M university found that higher LDL levels predicted greater gains in muscle mass in a strength training study involving 60 to 69-year-old males. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-05/tau-cn050511.php

    Hopefully, the LDL particle size issue will help exonerate total cholesterol and get saturated fats off the hook for heart disease. http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/03/26/ldl-cholesterol-ron-krauss-md/ After all, saturated fats have very little effect on total cholesterol compared to other dietary factors. http://www.theheart.org/article/1267163.do

  2. Jane Bateman

    I found out 2 days ago I have High Small LDL-P levels 1455 High Triglycerides 160 Low HDL-C 36 Low HDL-P (Total)24.2 High Cholesterol,
    Total 210. Im scard to death. Doctor wants to put me on Statin drug. Husband says its hype mother says eat oats. Im afraid of side effects . And afraid of CVD. Im 47 woman . Father died of CVD at age 35 . Mother says it was Lymes disease. I’m afraid to take statin and afraid not to. I dont know what to do. Help please

  3. Doc´s opinion

    Hi Jane. Thanks for your post.

    A TG/HDL ratio above 4 (in your case 4.6) may sometimes indicate high insulin levels (hyperinsulinemia). I don’t know if you are overweight, but if you are, a low carbohydrate, high fat diet may indeed increase your HDL-C and lower your triglycerides which is probably a good thing. Furthermore, it might improve particle size and particle number.

    Your lipid profile in general, with high TG and low HDL, is compatible with the metabolic syndrome. Therefore it is important to know whether you are overweight or not.

    Furthermore, it is important to look at your total risk. Do you smoke? Do you have high blood pressure? In Europe, LDL particle number (LDL-P), total, small or large, is seldom used for risk stratification in clinical practice. Your total cholesterol is not very high, I don’t know about your LDL- C.

    Personally, I generally I do not recommend statin therapy for this lipid profile alone. However, if your total risk score is high, for example if you smoke, have high blood pressure and prediabetes or diabetes, it can be argued that statins will reduce your risk of CVD.

    Finally, let me just repeat that studies have shown that low carb high fat (LCHF) diets may improve a lipid profile like yours, not least if you are overweight or obese.

  4. Saturated fats, in conjunction with adequate supportive nutrition, can lower triglycerides and raise HDL-C. The important thing is to restrict added sugars.

    Optimum total cholesterol seems to lie in the 200 to 240 range. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/O-Primitivo-Cholesterol.jpg

  5. jane bateman

    Thanks for the reply I am 5’3 and 153 # I do smoke.

  6. jane bateman

    do you mean unsaturated fats and are you saying no sugar because it turns in carbohydrates. What about omega 3 oats nuts avacado fish oil walnuts fresh fruit vegtables oats . If i eat this diet do you think it will lower ldl-p?

  7. @ Jane Bateman, A person does not necessarily need to eliminate added sugars or omega-6s
    from the diet. Just keep them to safe levels. A diet of whole, natural foods such as you listed will naturally limit added sugars and omega-6s without much effort but it may not lower LDL-P.

    As for smoking, I suggest you read about the Kitava Study:

  8. Maribeth

    My doctor wants to put me on statins because of elevated LDL-P. In May, it was 1578. Now:
    LDL-P – 1348
    LDL-C = 105
    HDL-C = 44
    Triglycerides = 73
    Cholesterol Total = 164

    LDL & HDL Particles
    HDL-P (total) = 29.7
    Small LDL-P = 513
    LDL Size = 21.6

    I am 53, never smoked, both parents died from heart disease, I’m 141# (have lost 30 lbs this year). I had bile duct surgery a month ago with elevated liver enzymes and I hate to take medication that will bother my liver. For the last 3 months, I haven’t eaten grains or process foods. The only sugar I eat is fresh fruit. Are statins really necessary in my situation. My doc is more concerned with the LDL-P number and my family history. He feels the family history alone is worth putting me on statins. I don’t have high blood pressure (it was 100/73 today).

  9. Doc´s opinion

    Maribeth. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It would be irresponsible of me to give advice on individual cases. This is certainly a situation where some doctors may want to prescribe statins and some would recommend against it. The decision to prescribe statin therapy in primary prevention is often quite difficult. The clinical guidelines generally recommend looking at total risk, taking into account all risk factors, not only lipids. In your case the total risk is propably rather low, considering that you have never smoked and don´t have hypertension or diabetes. One could certainly wonder, looking at your family history and LDL-P number, whether statin therapy might reduce your risk of cardiovascular disease. However, taking into account the low total risk, your liver enzymes and other possible side effects, I guess many doctors would not recommend statin therapy.

  10. Ed Cooper

    If we reduce carbs in our diet, I think we can assume that food will be replaced with fats and proteins. The additional fats and proteins will increase LDL-C, right? Will it also increase LDL-P? I understand that LDL-P is what we need to be concerned about. Thanks.

  11. Doc´s opinion

    Ed. Some studies indicate that low carbohydrate diets may increase LDL-C as you suggest. However, HDL-C seems to increase as well and triglycerides usually go down, which is positive. Furthermore, LDL-particle size appears to increase on low carb, and LDL particle number (LDL-P) decreases. Thus, discordance (between LDL-C and LDL-P) appears to become more prominent.

  12. Kristina

    Hi! I am 36 years old, 5’3, weigh 113lbs. I eat relatively healthy and excerise 6 days a week. I do not smoke. My dad died of congestive heart failure at 53, his identical twin died at 46 from a massive heart attack and their dad died at 53 from heart disease. All 3 smoked. Dad had his first heart at 37. I just had extensive blood work done and here are the results. My doctor wants me to take a baby aspirin daily and retest in 3 months. I would love your thoughts on this. I am not sure about taking the baby aspirin daily.
    HDL: 97
    LDL: 103
    total Cholesterol:97
    LDL-P: 1101
    APO B: 82
    APO A-1: 181
    I have a ton of other numbers. Please let me know if you need to see all of them :) Thank you so much!

  13. Doc´s opinion

    Krstina. I understand your family history is a cause for concern. Remember however that your dad, his brother and your grandad were all smoking males. You being a nonsmoking woman is quite different. The regular exercise, and I am assuming a normal blood pressure is also positive when assessing your total risk. I think your lipid numbers are indeed quite good as well, apart from the LDL-P. The goal for LDL-p is less than 1.000. 1300-1600 is generally considered moderate risk and above 1600 is high risk. However considering that all other measures are very good, I don´t think you need to worry that much. Apo B and Apo A-1 values are fine. Total cholesterol (assuming the number is 197), LDL-C, HDL-C and triglycerides are all quite good numbers. TG/HDLratio is also low which is positive.
    If we use the traditional algorithms, your total risk is indeed very low, despite the family history. I am not aware of any scientific studies showing a clear positive effect of baby aspirin under similar circumstances, which is the reason why I would not prescribe it if you were my patient. I do not think it will affect your lipid numbers. I would not give a cholesterol lowering drug either under these circumstances. Continuing the healthy lifestyle, healthy eating and exercise, definitively, in my opinion is the best thing you can do.
    Thanks for the post.

  14. Kristina

    Thank you do much for your quick response! The total cholesterol is 206. ( 3 little ones running circles around me while typing). Also, my Lp-PLA2 is 236. This has to do with inflammation? What are your thoughts regarding that number? I am told this is a high risk number for me. Thank you do much!

  15. Doc´s opinion

    Kristina. There is still some uncertainty about the value of Lp-PLA2 measurements. There seems to be a positive association between Lp-PLA2 levels and vascular and nonvascular outcomes in many studies, but these are observational studies and can´t establish causality. http://www.theheart.org/article/1071965.do

    High sensitivity CRP (hs-CRP) is probably the most commonly used marker of inflammation. Some studies have raised the possibility that hs-CRP could be used to target high-risk patients who may benefit from statin use. http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/16442935


    I just had my labs done due to feeling fatigued and tired all the time as well as headaches. My LDL-P was 2051, LDL-C 131, Triglycerides 147, Cholesterol 212. My small LDL-P is 787. Also, my LP-IR score is 50. I am so confused about all the information about diets and the fact that my LP-IR is high. Now I’m confused about diabetes and insulin resistance. I am overweight, 185 and 5’2″. My Vit D is also low at 27.1. I know I need to maintain a diet and decrease weight, but the proper diet, what to eat and what not to eat, is totally confusing to me. Looking for suggestions! Thanks so much!

  17. Doc´s opinion

    Rebecca. Please discuss your symptoms and lab results with your doctor and get his advice.

    What concerns me with your lab results is the elevated LDL-P and small LDL-P. Triglycverides are also borderline high. Total cholesterol and LDL-C are not that bad numbers. Your BMI is 33.8. Your LP-IR certainly indicates some insulin resistance.

    Lipid problems, including higher triglycerides, decreased HDL levels, and increased small, dense LDL particles, have been shown to be atherogenic. In obesity, these lipid disorders seem to be closely related to insulin resistance. Weight loss and exercise, even if they do not result in normalization of body weight, can improve lipid profile and thus reduce the risk of heart disease. Therefore, weight loss is extremely important. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14711065?dopt=Abstract

    Furthermore, evidence suggests that carbohydrate restriction, positively influences the aforementioned lipid problems. http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/24#B1.

    So, for an individual with obesity, insulin resistance, elevated LDL-P and triglycerides, carbohydrate restriction is certainly something I would suggest. It usually helps inducing weight loss and will likely improve lipid profile.

  18. Dottie Parker

    I went LCHF Paleo in 2011 and my cholesterol numbers have worsened considerably. I am worried that I might have familial hypercholesterolemia.

    I am a 49 year old female, non-smoker, low-normal blood pressure, low (but treated) thyroid, BMI of 23.

    Now (pre-Paleo)
    Total Chol. 298 (195)
    LDL-C 136 (98)
    HDL-C 134 (85)
    VLDL 28 (9)
    Trigl. 140 (61)
    CRP 0.9 (1.6)

    My doctor wants to prescribe statins and is unwilling to order an NMR (I’m in Massachusetts where it is illegal to get any blood tests without a doctor’s order – even online). I think I can, however, drive out of state for a heart (calcium) scan which I can schedule myself. If the heart scan is good, should I still try to find a way to get the NMR? Many thanks!

  19. Doc´s opinion

    Thanks for the post Dottie. I find your experience interesting. It surprises me a little bit that your Total Chol and LDL-C have gone up this much. It surprises me even more that your TG have gone up as well, which is uncommon on Paleo and other low carbohydrate diets. However, your HDL-C has gone up considerably which is very positive. Therefore, your TG/HDL-C ratio has only gone up a little bit. I see from the numbers that your LDL-C is calculated (not measured) using the Friedewald equation, but it should be reliable anyway in your case.

    There appears to be some inconsistency in how a Paleo type diets affects blood lipids. In one study this type of diet appeared to lower Total Chol and LDL-C as well as TG. http://naturetherapies.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Paleo-diet-Study-Frssseto09.pdf
    In another study a Paloelithic diet appeared to elevate LDL-cholesterol in diabetic individuals.http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1475-2840-8-35.pdf

    Clinical experience and individual reports indicate that elevation of Total Chol and LDL-cholesterol is not uncommon on a Paleolithic Diet. However, HDL-cholesterol seems to rise as well and triglycerides usually drop. Many of the Paleo followers believe that the elevation of Total Chol and LDL-C is nothing to worry about because they consider cholesterol in itself not dangerous and they don´t believe it is a causative factor in cardiovascular disease. However, I don´t think there is available evidence for us to believe that. There is so much evidence indicating that LDL-C is associated with cardiovascular risk. However, maybe an elevation of HDL and a drop in TG on Paleo, might counteract the effects of elevation of LDL-cholesterol. It appears that the TG/HDL-C ratio is an important predictor of risk. This ratio is highly associated with insulin resistance. In your case this ratio is just above one (on Paleo) which is relatively low. A cutoff of 3.5 has been suggested to identify patients at most risk for cardiovascular disease.

    Although your LDL-C has gone up on Paleo, it is possible that your LDL-P has not (discordance). That is what an NMR might reveal.

    Your CRP has gone down which is generally considered positive.

    I doubt that you have familial hypercholesterolemia (FH), considering your Total Chol and LDL-C before Paleo.
    These are the main symptoms of FH:
    •High levels of total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol.
    •A strong family history of high levels of total and LDL cholesterol and/or early heart attack.
    •Elevated and therapy-resistant levels of LDL in either or both parents.
    •Xanthomas (waxy deposits of cholesterol in the skin or tendons).
    •Xanthelasmas (cholesterol deposits in the eyelids).
    •Corneal arcus (cholesterol deposit around the cornea of the eye).

    Personally I am usually a bit conservative when prescribing statins in primary prevention. I do not only look at the lipids. I usually look at other risk factors as well such as familiy history, smoking, blood pressure, diabetes etc. Of course, if you have FH, you should have statin treatment.

    I also wonder what your diet was before Paleo and why you decided to change…

  20. Dave

    Hello Doc, I have been watching your video and reading your articles, and I just received my results from an NMR and VAP cholesterol test. Below are my NMR results and I am very concerned and hoping you can give me some advice for area of my diet and exercise to explore.

    My results:

    LDL-C 217
    HDL 68
    VLDL 16
    Cholesterol Total – 301
    Trigs 66
    LDL+VLDL 233
    LDL-R (Real) 190
    Lp(a) 16
    LDL-P 1812
    LDL Density Pattern: A

    I weigh 170 lbs, 5’10″, male. My diet is generally low carb, low grains. I eat eggs, steak, chicken a few times per week each. Not much milk and I exercise 5-6 times per week, which includes 3-4x weights, 4-5x cardio.

    Any thoughts? Thank you!

  21. Dottie Parker

    Thank you, Doc, for your informative reply. Regarding FH, I tend to agree that it would likely have shown up earlier in life. Prior to Paleo, I had been on a SAD/ Weight Watchers diet for 10 years. My diet was chronically calorie-restricted, VLF, and nutrient sparse (I believe that may have caused the hypothyroid). I have read that FH can be hidden by a low-fat diet, so, I am going to find a way to get an NMR.

    On a positive note, I’ve just learned from 23andme that I don’t carry the ApoE ε4 variant. So, I’m now thinking the low thyroid function may be the cause of the high LDL and TG (that darn TG really should have gone down on VLC!). Thus, I wonder if the VLC diet is suppressing my thyroid and thus interfering with cholesterol metabolism… (ah, so many variables). I wish my GP knew as much as I do about this. Better yet, I wish more doctors were as up on the research as you. Anyway, if it would be of interest to you or your readers, I’ll post again once/if I figure it out.

  22. Doc´s opinion

    Hi Dave. As you probably know genetic factors highly influence our blood lipid pattern. I presume you have a family history of high cholesterol, correct me if I am wrong. You seem to live a healthy lifestyle, BMI is normal, lots of exercise and a relatively healthy diet.

    Total Chol and LDL-C are quite high and so is LDL-P. The positives are a relatively high HDL for a male and relatively low levels of TG. TG/HDL-C is close to 1 which is fine. LDL density Pattern A suggests that large particles dominate which is positive. Lp (a) is not that bad.

    It is very often hard to predict how diet affects our lipid pattern and there is a lot of individual variation. I would certainly be curious to know whether you could lower your LDL-C and LDL-P by cutting down on the consumption of cholesterol and saturated fat, as indeed recommended by the American Heart Association and the European Society of Cardiology. You could even choose a Mediterranean style diet, or DASH, increasing the consumption of whole corn, fish, olive oil and eat lots of vegetables and fruit.

    Considering your BMI and lipid pattern, there are no signs of the metabolic syndrome. Therefore you probably don´t have any insulin resistance and no carbohydrate intolerance. So, in my mind there is no need for you to avoid healthy carbohydrates and starchy food unless you prefer to do so yourself. However, by all means, stay away from simple refined sugars and junk food.

    I guess many doctors will suggest statin therapy when looking at your lipid pattern. Many specialists consider an LDL-C level above 190 to be a clear indication for drug therapy, no matter what else you find. This decision may however have to take into account your age, previous disease history ( I am indeed assuming you are healthy) family history and other risk factors.

    Good luck Dave. Will be happy to hear about your progress.

  23. Doc´s opinion

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts Dottie. I will be very happy to hear about your progress.

  24. Dave P

    Thank you, Doc, for your comment. Yes, I am healthy, have no risk factors and do not have a history of high cholesterol in my family. I am going to take your advice and add carbs to my diet, probably sweet potatoes and white rice, and more nuts, and then retest in a month, unless you think this is not enough time.

    Also, I was wondering what your thoughts are on low-carb eating and the effect of T3 or rT3. Could low thyroid function be the cause of high LDL-P? I was considering getting tested for thyroid function and testosterone if I test in one month. Thoughts?

    Thank you for your help.

  25. Doc´s opinion

    Low thyroid function has been associated with elevated levels of blood cholesterol. Thyroid hormones seem to be involved in LDL and HDL metabolism, although the mechanisms are still a bit unclear. I agree that you should have your thyroid function tested. There is a recent publication indicating that hypothyroidism (TSH levels over 10 mIU/l) is associated with a significant reduction in LDL particle size and a higher prevalence of atherogenic pattern B. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23039873

    One month may be a little to short to evaluate the effects of diet changes on blood lipids, but you might see some trend. I often recommend reevaluation in six months following a change in lifestyle and/or dietary habits.

  26. David P

    Thanks, Doc. As it is easy to overdo these tests, which test do you recommend for Thyroid?

    Here is a site I have been using: https://www.accesalabs.com/thyroid


  27. Doc´s opinion

    Measuring TSH is usually enough to test for hypothyroidism (low thyroid function). If hypothyroidism is present, TSH will be elevated. If hyperthyroidism (overactivity of the thyroid gland) is suspected Free T4 is ofte measured as well. Other tests are seldom needed.

  28. Amanda

    Hi Doc! Went to the doc yesterday to talk about Cholesterol & labs and got scared out of mind!! Here are the results of my labs:
    Total Chol-209
    NON HDL C-172
    APO B-128
    LP MASS-20

    I am overweight but I am dieting right now and have been successfully for about a month. I have lost 13 lbs since these labs were drawn. At the same time these labs were drawn I was also being checked for a UTI that did come up positive. Was wondering if the UTI caused the high hs-CRP? I am 33 yrs old, I do smoke and now weigh 187 down from 199. My blood pressure is normal now because of the weight loss and my doc said I would probably get to come off of my bp meds sooner than later because the weight loss seems to be bringing it down. At least I got some good news. Also, heart disease runs in my family through my grandparents. My doc wants to put me on Lipitor and Niaspan 500 mg & 1 coated asprin a day. Mixed advise given to me about Statins and Niacin. Would like to know what you think. Confused and scared I am going to drop dead from a heart attack at anytime. Thank you and any info would be greatly appreciated!!! Amanda

  29. Doc´s opinion

    @ Amanada. UTI can definitively raise hs-CRP. Measuring hs-CRP when you have an active infection can therefore be misleading. There appears to be a lot you can do to reduce your risk for heart disease. Quitting smoking is extremely important. If you continue losing weight, your LDL-P and APO B will probably improve. You may have insulin resistance so limiting sugar and carbohydrates might be helpful. I think you should discuss with your doctor the possible advantages and disadvantages of medical therapy.

  30. katie

    I am 31 yr old female. I weigh 120 lb and am 5’3 inches. I eat relatively healthy, including whole grains, fruits, vegetables, lean meats, and dairy into my diet. I don’t eat a lot of fat, but when I do I try to use healthy fats like olive oil or Smart Balance spread which is supposed to help maintain healthy cholesterol. I usually don’t eat a lot of junk, but I would usually bake something sweet about twice a month. My doctor did a full array of blood tests for me in February, where I had some parts of my cholesterol that were too high. I kind of thought it was a fluke, so didn’t think too much about it until I got retested this month. My LDL-P is 2153, My LDL-C is 125, My HDL-C is 47, my Triglycerides are 144, My total Cholesterol is 201, My small LDL-P is 1575, and my LP-IR score is 55. I was pretty surprised when my doctor stressed how poor my scores were since I do traditionally abstain from junk, I don’t smoke or drink, I’m not over 50, and I’m not overweight. Though my parents and grandparents have not died of heart disease I have learned that one of my grandmas had heart problems and that her brothers died of heart attacks, both after shortly being told by a doctor they looked healthy.
    I would like some advice how to get my numbers to look better. I’ve started working out more vigorously than before (though I was never sedantary) and I’ve eliminated sweets (definitely starting to miss the baking), and I’m taking niacin daily. What else can I do? My doctor mentioned that if my blood work in February doesn’t look better she would consider putting me on medication. I really feel too young to be taking cholesterol meds.

  31. Doc´s opinion

    @ Katie. This is a difficult situation as you seem to eat healthy, have no overweight and do a lot of exercise. Your genetic predisposition does not appear strong either. The TG/LDL ratio and the LP-IR score may indicate you have some insulin resistance. LDL-P and small LDL-P are high as you are aware of. If you look into the scientific literature, a low carb high fat diet is probably more likely than a low fat diet to raise your HDL and lower your TG, LDLP and small LDL-P.

  32. Marcia

    Hi Doc! I’ve just got my results, and I’m a little concerned with the numbers. I never smoked, drink only socially, don’t exercise, love sweets (ice cream, chocolate, cakes, etc), a little overweight, but accumulate fat basically in my stomach. My energy levels change, my sleep pattern is crazy. Please, help me to figure out what I need to do. Today I tried not to eat sweet and I must tell you. It’s hard. My mouth waters when I see it, and I get a little upset because of that. AST(SGOT) high – 49; ALT (SGPT) high – 74; Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy low – 16.9; LDL-P high – 2123; LDL-C high – 107; Triglycerides (high) – 211; Small LDL-P (high) – 1317; LDL size (low) – 20.3; LP-IR Score (high) 79. I don’t have any family history. I’d prefer not taking drugs if it’s all possible.

  33. Sandy

    I am an almost 63 year old female, low blood pressure, get lots of exercise (walk almost every day at least 4-5+ miles and do Pilates 2-4+ times/week), eat a mostly plant –based diet w/lots of greens, onions, garlic, mushrooms, raw nuts, some fruit, etc. plus wild Alaska salmon almost every day. (Started eating fish regularly when I started taking my ldl seriously around June of this year.) Take one fish oil tablet usually every day (EPA 360mg/DHA 240 mg). I am about 5’ 1” and weigh about 116. (Have been bringing down my weight by strictly eating a high-density diet.) My mother had congestive heart failure, but smoked and took terrible care of herself. My father, born in 1925, had a mild heart attack, but has taken such good care of himself that 15-20 years post-bypass his arteries are free and clear. (He does take statins.) He smoked until he was about 35, I believe.
    I took an exercise stress test and was told I performed at an active 23-25 year old level.
    When a cardiologist saw that my ldl was 196, he said that based on my family history, he didn’t think I could bring it down with diet, so he wanted to put me on statins. That made me mad so I set about doing just that. After the first 6 weeks I brought it down to 160. After another 6 weeks to 129. But then it crept up to 147 and then basically stayed there the next time. I was eating dark chocolate with caramel, however, plus other chocolate during this time.
    I had gestational diabetes (in 1986), but have avoided diabetes. I may qualify as having pre-diabetes, however. I do try to include protein whenever I eat, but am not as good about this as I should be.
    My hs-CRP was last 0.05 on a 0.00-0.30 scale and has been around that for quite some time.
    My last two lipid studies were as follows (the most recent one first):
    Cholesterol 243 244
    Triglycerides 109 87
    HDL 55 62
    LDL, direct 146 147
    The really scary part, though, is my LDL-P = 2301.
    Other results follow (taken the same day that my cholesterol was measured at 160 at another lab):
    LDL-C 176
    HDL-C 58
    HDL-P (total) 35.2
    Small LDL-P 778
    LDL size 21.6
    Large VLDL-P <0.7
    Large HDL-P 5.6
    HDL size 8.8
    LP-IR score 26 (fasting)
    I have probably left out something important, but imagine you will ask. 

  34. Sandy

    PS I forgot to mention (at least) a few things. First, I very much want to avoid taking drugs, if at all possible, and have the discipline to do what is necessary, I believe, assuming it can be done. Second, I have Hashimoto’s, which last time measured at 1204. And, for what it’s worth, I have acquired angioedema triggered by NSAIDs.

  35. Doc´s opinion

    Hi Marcia. The liver enzymes, AST (GOT) and ALT (GPT) are only marginally elevated. There appears do be a typical discordance between LDL-C and LDL-P; LDL-C is not that bad, but LDL-P is high. Triglycerides are high, so is small LDL-P. LP-IR score is elevated suggesting insulin resistance. This is a lipid profile you would expect to see in an individual with the metabolic syndrome.

    I would focus on two things, both important.
    1) Try as much as you can to stop gaining weight. I know it sounds easy, but I have to emphasize it. I don´t know about your age: you look young in the picture by the way. Sometimes weight gain occurs very easily over a short time, so stay alert.
    2) I hate to tell you this, but I think it is very important for you to avoid sugars. I know it can be though, but I know that you know how important it is. I´m not necessarily suggesting that you avoid carbs altogether, but definitively sugar. Maybe you should study glycemic index (GI) and select carbs with a low GI. Have you studied the GI-diet which is quite popular these days?
    Good luck and thanks for the post.

  36. Doc´s opinion

    Hi Sandy. Your BMI, blood pressure, lots of exercise, no-smoking certainly indicates you are taking good care of your self. You do have family history of CAD and your blood lipids have caused some concern. However, considering the usual algoritms, your total risk is probably not very high. LP-IR score indicates no insulin resistance. Most doctors recommend statins if LDL-C is above 190, so I understand your doctor very well when he recommended drug therapy, when your LDL-C was >190. However, you managed to lower your LDL-C which is great. The high LDL-P worries me a little bit. You can argue for and against drug therapy in your case but the effect of statin treatment in primary prevention, if total risk is low, is quite small.
    There are two options.
    1) Continue taking good care of yourself, exercise and eat healthy. Have your lipids tested again in 6-12 months.
    2) Start statin therapy which will probably lower both your LDL-C and LDL-P signficantly. However, there is always a possibility of side effects although these drugs are generally well tolerated.
    If you ask 100 cardiologsits which way to go, 50 percent will probably say 1) and 50 percent will say 2). So, there is really no right answer, there is no truth. If you are properly informed you might even want to make this decision yourself. I would probably go for number 1).

  37. John

    Hi Doc,

    I am 51 6’2 203lb male. I was diagnosed with celiac disease 2 years ago and soon after my weight went
    up to 220 after plummeting to 190. Blood Pressure was controlled by norvasc 5mg and cardiologist insisted on taking simvastatin, to which I have resisted until now. Father and both grandfathers died from heart attacks. Mother’s side has history of diabetes and high cholesterol.
    NMR profile:

    LDL-P 2333
    LDL-C 163
    HDL-C 35
    triglycerides: 116
    Total Cholesterol: 220
    HDL-P 23.2
    Small LDL-P 1561
    LDL size 20.1
    LP-IR score 64

    I do moderate cardio exercise with weight training. I try to stay low carb as much as possible but have a major weakness for potato chips which I usually can resist. I mostly eat mixed greens, chicken, vegetables, and nuts.
    I only drink milk with coffee. I am going back on bp meds as my pressure started to creep up again after a nice hiatus from having to take them. any words of advice would help. I

  38. Doc´s opinion

    Hi John. Thanks for the post. The high LDL-P certainly put you at higher risk. Considering your BMI and LP-IR score it is likely that you have insulin resistance. Losing weight is very important in this situation. I definitively agree that carbohydrate restriction is sensible. Under these circumstances, considering the lipoprofile, high blood pressure and family history of coronary artery disease, I usually recommend statin therapy unless there are contraindications for such treatment.

  39. Anthony

    Dear Dr. Sigurdsson, I am a 71 yr. old male and have been lucky not to have hight blood pressure, and no Diabetes,but both of my parents did have it. I have total body weight of 146 lbs. On my recent visit to my Dr. My test Total cholesterol is 170. Triglycerides 55, Hdl 68, Ldl (direct)82, and vldl 11, also HDL risk factor is 2.5, which is low. Fasting Glucose is 91 and Hemoglobin A1C is 5.6 four months ago but as of this new test date is 5.9. The cause for my question to you is that I have had in the past a up and down results for this one test named LDL-P which now is at 1087. back in 2010 it was 1036, and in 2011 it was 1030, and in 2011 it was 1009, and in April of this year it was 1006. This most current test is dated 11-16-2012 and is 1087. also the result for LDL size is 21.1. My Dr. who I dearly respect wants me to take Creastor 5mg. 3 times a week to get this number down. Honestly I do not want to take this Med. I would like to try whatever for the next three months before he re tests my blood. I do not smoke as I quit that over 40 years ago. I drink 2 bottles of beer a week and do drink any hard suff at all. Maybe a glass of red wine on the weekend at dinner. All of theses Tests are done buy NMR Lipo Profile. Test for the Lab known as Health Diagnostic Labs Inc. This LDL-P Particle size test shows that I may have of I am prone to have atery problems as well as plack problems ???. It is enough to make me crazy. Not to put you on the spot as I have read some of your comments to other Posts could you give me your thoughts. God Bless you for your caring as you do about us Folks. And happy Holidays to you and Yours.

  40. Doc´s opinion

    @ Anthony. Thank you for your post and all the kind words.

    As you know I do have to be careful when it comes to individual recommendations. Your doctor will surely know much better than I what´s best for you. I can only reflect on what you have written in very general terms. In general, your risk profile appears to be low; no smoking, no hypertension, no obesity, no diabetes. There is family history of hight blood pressure and diabetes but no history, as it appears on premature coronary events. Your general lipid profile does not cause much concern, total cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol are not elevated. LDL-P repeatedly just above 1000 which is not all that bad. For a low or moderate risk individual an LDL-P less than 1300 is considered optimal.

    In my opinion a lipid profile like yours does not cause that much concern. Furthermore, your total risk appears low. Considering that you have no previous history of cardiovascular events, statin therapy certainly might sound a little aggressive. However, I certainly don´t know all the details of your history. Ask your doctor why he considers your risk to be high and ask him to explain why he wants to put you on statin therapy. There may be reasons that I´m not aware of.

  41. Anthony

    Dear Doctor, Its Anthony again and a sincere Thank you for your response. What I will do is not take the Creastor as My Dr. suggested , but I will excirse more , Walk more and stop eating Cheese, and Potato chips that I adore. I have read and read about diets , and a question I ask you now is what diet helps to lower LDL-p and is the most Heart Healthy diet to live by. I eat chicken, fish, and red meat only once a week. I do drink 4 cups of coffee in the am with oat meal and bannans. 5 prunes, and 3 tablespoons of blueberries in the hot oat meal with shim milk fat free. Ice Cream 1x per week. Is it what I am eating that makes the ldl-p numbers seen high as My doctor said the new target numbers are at 750 now not 1300, as the testing Lab says is opitmal. What I am trying to do is really to live as healthy as my Grandmother who made it to 97. Her Mother made it to 103. and would you believe her sister made it to 105 years old. That is some track record, but they all lived in different times. By the way I am a hyper person and I have a Person type you would call the ” A ” type. If their is any book written about the diets that help to keep this LDL-p in check please advise and any further comment from you is so much appreciated. Gratefully Yours. Anthony

  42. Charles

    Greetings Doc – I have studied your previous responses but am still confused about my direction.

    I am 43, male, 5 ft. 10 in., non smoker, normal blood pressure and light exerciser (walking about 3 times per week). No family heart problems in the past.

    I started a Paleolithic diet after a lipid profile I received last year.
    I also began supplementation as follows:
    Vitamin D at 3000 IU daily (2011: 21.2 ng/mL 2012: 66.6 ng/mL)
    FISH OIL at about 2 grams daily

    Here’s the before and after:

    PRE- PALEO November 2011

    1784 LDL-P
    115 LDL-C
    54 HDL-C
    315 Triglycerides
    232 Cholesterol, Total
    31,9 HDL-P (Total)
    971 Small LDL-P
    21.1 LDL Size
    83 LP-IR Score
    185 Weight

    POST – PALEO November 2012

    2272 LDL-P
    199 LDL-C
    57 HDL-C
    93 Triglycerides
    275 Cholesterol, Total
    35.6 HDL-P (Total)
    639 Small LDL-P
    21.6 LDL Size
    31 LP-IR Score
    168 Weight

    I basically cut out 80% of my carbs by avoiding wheat and sugar as much as possible.
    I still eat them sometimes (pizza and ice cream on weekends). I eat eggs everyday for breakfast.

    So I improved in certain areas and reduced my insulin resistance, but did I increase my risk for heart problems?

    Might a further reduction in carbs make a difference? DOes high dose fish oil affect the results?

    I suspect it is all interrelated but I’m concerned about such a high LDL-P.

    Thanks so much for your efforts on this website. Your opinion is greatly appreciated!

  43. Doc´s opinion

    Thank´s for the post Charles. I understand your confusion. Your lipid profiles pre – and post Paleo show very well how difficult it is to predict how our lipid numbers react to different diets. The fact that your total cholesterol (TC) and LDL-cholesterol (LDL-C) go up on Paleo is not surprising. Generally, carbohydrate restriction with increased consumption of fat elevates TC and LDL-C. However, more than 50 percent elevation of LDL-C on Paleo is more than I usually see.

    The lowering of TG and insulin resistance (LP-IR score) is something you would expect on Paleo. However, I would have expected HDL-C to rise a little bit more. Indeed HDL-P goes up a little bit.

    Generally, cholesterol rich foods, like eggs don´t elevate TC and LDL-C very much. However, studies have shown and I have also seen in my practice, that a small percentage of people who eat a lot of eggs elevate their TC and LDL-C quite much although this is not the general rule. Maybe you are just one of those individuals. However, it surprises me a bit that LDL-P goes up at the same time as the number of small LDL-P decreases. The Paleo theoretics might say to you: “Don´t worry about TC and LDL-C, it is all about LDL-particle size. You have a lot of large particles and should not have to worry”.

    I have seen a lipid response like yours a few times among people on low carb high fat diets. I am not ready to ignore LDL-C as a risk factor. Clinical guidelines recommend LDL-C as the main target for treatment with lipid lowering drugs. An LDL-C above 190 is something that most cardiologists want to treat with a statin drug, no matter what. Remember that your LDL-P is also very high. When I see a lipid response like yours I always recommend my patients to reduce the consumption of cholesterol and saturated fat. This involves eating less eggs and animal and less dairy fat. I usually urge them to eat mono-and unsaturated fats including fish oils and Omega-3. In my opinion a Mediterranean type diet is very sensible under these circumstances.

    Wish you all the best.

  44. KevinF

    My personal anecdotal experience — starting as a prototypical metabolic syndrome case whose good numbers were all low and whose bad numbers were all high: Eating low-carb high-fat paleo significantly reduced my triglycerides and raised my HDL; and then going on a statin and naicin massively brought down the TC, LDL-C, and LDL-P. Those two approaches seem to be working great for me.

    I didn’t get a lipid profile done just prior to converting to a LCHF diet early this year (unfortunately!). Hadn’t had cholesterol checked in a couple years — so I can’t say for sure exactly what the diet alone did. 6 months into the diet, and not under influence of drugs yet, I tested TC 280, LDL 190, and LDL-P at over 2800! That’s pretty bad. But the good was that my HDL had increased to 40 (from 32 two years ago) and TG was down to 180 (from nearly 500 two years ago … even 20 years ago in my mid-20s, I had tested in the 300s on TG).

    So my Doc put me on simvastatin and Niaspan. He advised that low-carb was OK but I should minimize red meat and saturated fat (ie, a low-carb Mediterranean or South Beach kind of diet). I took the drugs and ignored his diet advice, kept eating all the bacon, eggs, cheese, and beef I wanted, with whipping cream in my coffee, all 5 cups a day. After 4 months on the drugs, I’ve just tested at … TC 126, LDL-C 52, LDL-P about 1280. HDL up to 45 and TG down to 140. I clearly remain a met syn case, hence still have somewhat high TGs and LDL-P that’s above ideal (though better than 50th percentile I do believe). But have to say the drugs clearly had quite an impact. I personally suspect that if I did anything other than a low-carb high fat diet my triglycerides would explode again, and probably the LDL-P along with it.

  45. Joe

    Dr Sigurdsson,

    I would like to start by saying that I just came across your website and have been quite impressed. I too am one of those people on “lowish” carb Paleo with elevated LDL-C/P. It is quite difficult to find good data that combines the principles of a low carb approach to looking at lipids(i.e. high HDL, LDL size, low TG/HDL ratios) and the reality of LDL particle numbers. Some of the comments you have made above have been quite insightful and on the money. As a physician (anesthesiologist) I appreciate that. In my personal lipid situation I have spoken with many physicians and frankly the majority had never even heard of LDL-P. The recommendations I have received are quite varied and often just based on LDL-C number.

    From my reading of low carb and Paleo blogs, I believe my situation is fairly common and we all could use your insight. I would truly love to hear your opinion on my situation. I am not asking for specific medical recommendations but more of a way to look at the situation or any suggestions about specific reading.

    My father and paternal grandfather were diagnosed with coronary disease in their mid 60′s. In 2003 (age 40)  I had a cholesterol of 220 and an LDL 160.  I was started me on simvastatin initially at 10 or 20 mg but ultimately up to 40mg/day.

    Date   (Total Cholesterol/HDL/LDL/TG)

    2003 Statins started

    2004     140/63/61/79

    04/2009: started to decrease processed carbohydrates

    10/2009    166/72/82/44        

    07/2010: started low carbohydrate “Paleo” diet, higher in saturated fat, with no wheat minimal grains and no seed oils.

    12/2010     218/98/93/53                          

    Calcium Score Obtained (result: zero) Statins stopped due to side effects (libido, muscle soreness(mild), multiple colds and memory issues(per wife)).

    05/2011    278/93/170/80        

    Anyway since stopping the statins I feel great. I have repeated my lipids multiple times and always about the same high LDL (130-190), high HDL (75-103) and low TG (50-70).  When I learned about NMR Lipoprofile (LDL-P)I had one performed with results below

    NMR lipoprofile results 12/3/2012

    LDL-P: 1502 nmol/L
    LDL-C: 192 mg/dl
    HDL-C: 75 mg/dl
    Triglyceride: 52 mg/dl
    Total Cholesterol: 277 mg/dl
    HDL-P: 36.4 micromol/L
    Small LDL-P: 121 nmol/L
    LDL Size: 21.6 nm
    LP-IR Score: 3

    I think I am doing most of the right things with watching my sleep and stress, exercising taking vitamin D and fish oil.  I don’t smoke, my BP is 110′s/60′s and my body fat is less than 20%. My hs-CRP’s are consistently < 0.1. Since the LDL-P test, I am restructuring my diet to try to decrease the extra saturated fat. Because of my previous side effects I am a little leery about starting statins again without really thinking about it. 

    From my limited knowledge it is obvious that my particle number is too high but I can't find any data about patients with similar overall lipid profile. Niacin might be an option but it also has issues and is not often considered a first line agent. Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

  46. Doc´s opinion

    Thank you for the post Joe. As carbohydrate restriction and Paleo is becoming so common these days, it is important to understand what happens to our blood lipids with these lifestyles. Although there are a number of short term studies looking at risk factors such as blood pressure, lipids and glucose metabolism, we still don´t know the long-term health effects. There seems to be a general pattern in the lipid response to low carb high fat (LCHF) diets, but there is a lot of individual variation.

    Most often, like in your case, total cholesterol (TC) and LDL-C will go up on LCHF. However, this will probably depend on what types of fat are consumed. Saturated fats would be expected to elevate TC and LDL-C more than mono-or polyunsaturated fats. There is usually lowering of TG and elevation of HDL-C, thus the TG/HDL-C ratio improves. We still don´t really know what this means in terms of risk. Will the elevation of LDL-C increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD)? Will the elevation of HDL-C and lowering of TG lead to less risk of CVD? What will the be the net result? Studies are definitively lacking when it comes to hard clinical endpoints.

    Therefore the debate is ongoing. Many of the Paleo and carbohydrate restriction theoretics say that TC and LDL-C are not important. They highlight the positive effect on HDL-C and TG and they refer to studies showing that the number of small-LDL-P decreases which they consider important. However, the conventional cardiologist is still focusing on LDL-C and lately non-HDL cholesterol (TC minus HDL-C) and that is what clinical guidelines still recommend. The evidence supporting the role of LDL-C as a marker for risk is very strong and so is the evidence that lowering LDL-C will lower risk.

    I agree with you that your situation is indeed very common. If we only look at your lipids we might say that it´s a pity that you can not stay on statin therapy. However, loooking at your total risk, I definitvely don´t think it´s obvious that you should be put on statin therapy. Furthermore, the side effects appear very clear in your case, indicating that the negative effects of statin drugs on your health will be much larger than the positive effects.

    Again, looking at your lipid profile, here are a number of positive things. TG are low, HDL-C and HDL-P are relatively high. TG/HDL ratio es less than 1. Small LDL-P is low and LDL size is relatively high.

    So the question remaining is how much you should worry about your TC, LDL-C and LDL-P. You probably would want to see all thes numbers a bit lower. Statin therapy would do it, but it´s out of the picture because it will make your general health worse. Looking at your general/total risk profile, the lipids seem to be your only risk factor, apart from the family history. Your healthy lifestyle, absence of hypertension, diabetes and smoking certainly make your total risk quite low indeed. Familial hypercholesterolemia (FH) appears unlikely in your case. The zero calcium score is certainly a positive thing.

    Again, many of the LCHF and Paleo theoretics might tell you not to worry about TC and LDL-C, not least because the other lipid parameters look so good. However, looking at the available science on the importance of LDL-C, most cardiologists would probably recommend cutting down on saturated fats and cholesterol. You might try to select more mono and polyunsaturated fats instead. You can still stick with Paleo and carbohydrate restriction if you want to.

  47. Richard

    Just got some testing back, after a long period of weight loss and transition from strength athletics to endurance athletics, all the numbers were nicely in their reference range… except that LDL-P, which was obnoxiously high at ~2000. So we’re going back on the simvastatin; but in reading stuff on “metabolic syndrome” which the doc seemed concerned that I might be trying to develop, I see recommendations for a low carb approach. I figure while I’m still used to micromanaging my diet, if I could get a recommendation for ratios (carb/fat/protein) for a 3200kcal / day diet, it’d be easy enough to tweak, while also matching the carbs against times when there’s room for them in recovery of skeletal muscle glycogen. It’d be cool to drag that number back to something sane while not interfering with recovery rate.

    I think I will miss the cookie dough though….

  48. Tom

    I just got my first LDL-P test = 1755. My triglycerides = 48 and my LDL-C = 114. This does not see match the pattern described in the article in that my triglycerides are low and LDL-C not too high. I take 20 mg simvastatin. Take about 3 grams of fish oil per day. BMI around 24. Don’t seem to be a metabolic syndrome candidate. My diet tends toward high carb and my execise level is on the low end.

    Not sure of the best course of action in this situation. Maybe someone could comment on this general situation.

  49. Nette

    Total Cholesterol 365; LDL-C 214; Triglicerides 404; Apo B 189; LDL-P 3500 (yes 3500) What can I eat??? 5’6″, 130#, non smoker, female A little bit scared!

  50. Doc´s opinion

    Nette. I don´t know about your age or your family history. Looking at your lipid numbers there is a possibility that you have what is called familial combined hyperlipidemia. My suggestion is that you seek a specialist, either a cardiologist or a lipidologist. Have you done that?

  51. John

    John Male Age 42

    Family History – Father had first HA at 46 and is a Diabetic

    Ht – 6’3
    Wt – 230 lbs (lost 15 lbs in 2 months)

    TC 202
    LDL-C 106
    LDL-P 1667
    HDL 57
    TRiG 218
    Blood Glou 107

    After two months of Meditarian diet and 6x a week exercise I dropped 300 from my LDL-P. My NP still wants me to start statin therapy which scares me. I want to keep trying to lose weight. I’m afraid statins will push into diabetes.

  52. mpanttaja

    I have a problematic set of results on my NMR. At least I cannot figure what they mean.

    Story: obese most of my adult life; low carb 2.5 years; in first 18 months lost 25 pounds with work; discovered the T2D 1 year ago; added metformin and lost another 10 pounds; weight and BG stuck both still somewhat high; high FBG. In mild ketosis much of the time, with periodic breaks with added carbs.

    What does it mean if both LDL-P and HDL-P are off the charts high, IF I am on a long term low carb regimen with high saturated fat with controlled Pre-T2D (a1c 5.8; can’t seem to get it lower), low insulin (6), and good IR numbers; taking 2000 mg metformin. Also LP(a) is very high (137).

    Where do I look for what this means? Not theoretical, as my mother had strokes and early-onset Alzheimer’s in her mid-50s. Is the risk real? Can it be managed without drugs?

    If you have any suggestions on what to read or where to research, I’d appreciate it. It almost feels as if this is two problems, not one. Or the risk factors have not been vetted against my scenario.

    Thanks so much,

    The data:
    * unexpected results

    A1C 5.8
    Insulin 6 uIU/ml
    LP(a) 137*
    B12 331
    D 64

    LDL-P 2341*
    LDL-C 149
    Small LDL-P 724
    LDL size 21

    HDL-P 49.2
    HDL-C 88

    IR Numbers:
    Large VLDL-P < .7
    Small LDL-P 724
    Large HDL-P 11.4
    VLDL Size – not enough to measure
    LDL Size 21
    HDL Size 9.4

    LP-IR Score 15th percentile (good)

  53. harold

    Total Cholesterol: 170
    LDL-C: 109
    LDL-P: 1686
    HDL-C: 43
    hight 5’7″

    I am worried due to my weight and LDL-P ratings. Should I be and what should I do. My overal Cholesterol has dropped from 238 when I was 28 to this number now that I am 48. I take Lipator 10mg.


  54. Doc´s opinion

    @ Harold. Considering that you are overweight, weight loss probably reduces your risk. Cutting down on sugar and refined carbohydrates often helps lowering LDL-P

  55. Doc´s opinion

    @ mpanttaja. As you probably know the high levels of HDL-C and HDL-P are good things in terms of risk. Considering your weight and diabetes I would suspect you fulfill criteria for the metabolic syndrome. So it is a bit surprising that your LP-IR score is this low. Actually, you can often get confused with all these numbers. Maybe you should look at your lifestyle in general and see what you can do to reduce your risk. The saturated fats will not help you lower LDL-C. I wonder whether switching to a more of a Mediterranean type diet, using more monounsaturated and omega 3 fats, might help you. It is a good diet for type-2 diabetes and for weight loss.

  56. Thank you for your thoughts. I believe the IR is under control because of 2.5 years of very serious low carb and a year of metformin. I control post prandial glucose rigorously by eating very few if any carbs. I don’t smoke, I exercise and lift weights, bike to work, ski. I will look into shifting some of the fats to olive oil and avocado and such (from dairy cream and butter), but I don’t think I can increase my carb load as described in that experiment (Mediterranean diet) without raising my a1c. I’m a bit stuck between a rock and a hard place. Obviously, there are some things we do not understand yet. Thanks again for considering.

  57. Peter

    Thank you for you very enlightening blog. A high LDL-P number often is cited by Drs. Dayspring and Attia as a deciding discordant/concordant indicator of CVD risk. For those in adhering to Low Carb/Paleo, many are confounded when LDL-C has gone up instead of staying low. And worst yet, a high LDL-P number seems to affirm the CVD risk, in concordance w/ the LDL-C level.

    A physician who treats those w/ metabolic disorders encountered such a conundrum himself: http://azsunfm.blogspot.com/2012/09/font-definitions-font-face-font-family.html

    In Dr. Patel’s premise, a high LDL-P number, in the absence of other risky indicators (TG/HDL ratio <2, fasting blood sugar, low CRP, obesity, hypertension) for metabolic syndromes, by itself, maybe of little value, since other indicators are in the safe zone. A body with low inflammation, there should be no arterial damage from glycation. Therefore, the LDL-P has no injury to deposit its load of cholesterol for repair, thus no plaque.

    You take? Thanks.

  58. Kathy Olson

    Good morning Doc. I’m thrilled to have found your blog, after receiving my NMR and Lp PLA 2 labs. There are a lot of FLAGs on the results, so trying to decide if I should see a cardiologist or regular doctor. Your thoughts??

    Heart disease runs in my family, with mother having a heart attack in her mid 60′s. She had a stent implanted and no other occurances. She’s now 90! I am also a carrier of the KIF6 Genotype 719 Trp/Arg heterozygous.

    I ‘m now 60 and have a similar build to my mom, 5’6″ at 136 lbs. I’m currently not on any medication. I’ve been taking Bios Slim for 1.5 months and have reduced total cholesteral 41 points and have lost 12 lbs. I’ve also implemented better eating habits by eating healthier; steel cut oatmeal, fish, etc. and trying to eliminate all sugars. Also exercising at least 5 days a week for 30 min.

    Besides getting my LDL down & HDL numbers up, I was wondering if there is a way to enlarge those LDL & HDL particles. Here are my numbers:

    LDL Size 21.0
    LDL-P 1712 (high)
    Sm LDL-P 833 (high)
    LDL-C 134 (high)

    HDL-C 44
    HDL-P TTL 28.8 (low)
    Trigly 111
    Chol TTL 200
    HDL Size 8.8 (low)

    Lg VLDL-P <0.7
    Lg HDL-P 5.5

    LP-IR Score 31
    LP-PLA 196

  59. Doc´s opinion

    @ Kathy. Thank you for your post and for sharing your numbers. I have very limited experience with the clinical utility of The KIF6 Genotyping Assay. However, I understand that some studies have shown that statins may be effective for prevention when the KIF6 polymorphism is present, while this was not confirmed by rosuvastatin in the JUPITER trial.

    We still have a lot to learn on dietary interventions to lower LDL-P and increase LDL and HDL particle size. Carbohydrate restriction, Mediterranean diet and Omega -3 fatty acids may all be helpful. Avoiding sugars, eating healthy natural fats and exercising are probably helpful. I believe you are on the right track by eating healthier; steel cut oatmeal, fish, etc. and trying to eliminate all sugars as well as exercising. It´s probably more a question of staying focused and keep it going. Good luck.

  60. Mike

    Hi Dr Sigurdsson,

    Would love you to get your thoughts on my numbers. I’m 37, no family history of heart disease, was a social smoker for about 15 years – smoking when I drank alcohol. I started going to a cardiologist about a year go as I was having some random chest pains, he attributed this to stress after a battery of tests – EKG, Stress test, Echo, Echo stress, CIMT but I did discover I had a leaky aortic heart value, mild to moderate leak. During my visits there I got my blood work done a few times and was shocked to learn my LDL-P was 2119! Since then, 8 months ago, I have dropped 20 lbs, starting running 4 times a week and removed all sugary drinks from my diet. I’m very conscious as to what I put into my body. During my last visit, my Dr mentioned going on a statin, would love to get your thoughts on this.

    Below are my recent numbers:

    Total Cholestrol 165
    Triglycerides 81
    HDL-C, Direct 52
    HDL-C as % of Total 32
    Cholestrol/ HDL-C Ratio 3.2
    LDL/HDL-C ratio 1.9
    Non-HDL Cholestrol 113
    VDVL Cholestrol 16
    LDL-C Direct 99

    LDL – P 1461
    Small LDL – P 733
    LDL Particle Size 20.6
    HDL – P 32
    Large HDL – P 5

    LP-a 13
    hs-CRP 0.8
    Lp-PLA2 157
    Apo A1 150
    Apo B 89
    Apo B/A-1 Ratio 0.59

    Hemogloblin AIC – 5.7
    Glucose – 97

    Blood pressure generally around 115/75

    Best regards


  61. My doc insists I am at high risk for a sudden cardiac death if I don’t go on statins right away. She is focused on the LDL-P number (1934) and says none of the other numbers matter. My gyno ran the basic cholesterol test in December, and all those numbers (total cholesterol, HDL, LDL, triglycerides) improved by the time the referred doc ran the Lipid Cascade test in Jan (doc didn’t see me until last week, but called a statin prescription to my pharmacy 6 wks ago. No one told me). Should I continue very low carbing? Should I take the statin? I’m 52 and post-menopause. My most recent A1C is 5.5; my bp typically remains below 120/80 unless I’m at a doc’s office, where it is usually 145/90. Thank you for any clarity you can provide.

    Total cholesterol: 274
    HDL: 87
    LDL: 163
    Triglycerides: 66
    LDL-P: 1934
    LDL particle size: 21.7
    LP(a)C: 41.4
    hs-CRP: 2.1
    LP-PLA2: 253
    Apolipoprotein A-1: 225
    Apolipoprotein B: 145

  62. jake3_14

    There are exactly *zero* methodologically-sound, clinical trials showing that statins benefit women of any age for any cardiovascular-related diagnosis. Any physician pushing this class of drugs for women is ignoring the evidence, or lack thereof. Whatever problem you might have, statins won’t cure it. Even to say that no other markers matter, like your TG/HDL ratio (yours is outstanding), is not sound decision-making. At the least, you should ask for a coronary calcium test to get a picture of the degree of blockage (if any) in one of your major blood vessels.

    Even with LDL-P being the newest darling marker for predicting heart attack, there’s still some question about what the appropriate optimum numeric range is for those on a ketogenic (i.e., less than 50g net carbs/day) diet. In a conversation with Dr. Tom Dayspring, a prominent U.S. cardiac health educator, Jimmy Moore discussed his sky-high LDL-P, and how it was discordant with other markers of cardiovascular health in his case. Dr. Dayspring admitted that there are no good studies of very-low-carbers, and that a different standard might be appropriate.

  63. Tami

    Hello Doc. Thank you for all this information and for helping all of us. I’m hoping you might help me navigate my husbands numbers… He is 42, about 5’9 and 160 lbs. His father had a major stroke at age 55 and now lives in an assisted care facility. This has obviously been a difficult thing for his family and so this whole cholesterol issue is quite emotional and scarey for my hiusband. We’ve been ‘paleo’ for about 1 1/2 years now. We started with low carb but have increased them in the last few months. It seems his LDL is increasing rapidlyof late. I’m still trying to get the previous lipid panel but this most recent is as follows:
    (Values in mmol/L)
    Total LDL 6.05 (my husband says that’s up from 4.8 ish last test which was just a standard lipid panel a couple of months ago and since it might be pertinent in considering familial I believe his LDL was within normal limits pre-paleo)
    LDL-R 5.15
    LP(a) 0.18
    Total HDL 1.91
    Total cholesterol 8.48
    Trigs-VAP .96
    non HDL chol 6.57
    remnant lipoproteins 1.03
    LDL pattern A (less risk)
    ApoB100 1.53
    ApoA1 1.92
    AppB100/ApoA1ratio 0.8

    My limited understanding is that apoB predicts particle # (do you know what this apoB number would translate to in LDL-P?) and that this 1.53 is high. However the ratio,which I’ve also read is similar in predictive value to particle number is in the acceptable range. I think his LP(a),trigs and HDL are all good. From what I remember of his previous bloodwork his bp is good, c-reactive p was good, vit D good, thyroid was fine (but I’ve read it can elude standard testing-should we pursue further?). He doesn’t have tendon (or other) xanthomas that I’m aware of. We eat mostly fruit, veg including starchy, well raised meat inc liver and some heart, eggs(mostly raw yolks in smoothie-about 2 yolks/day), lots of canned salmon, high fat raw dairy (cream in coffee, some sour cream..), fermented foods, some raw nuts (and i bake muffins w almond flour), coconut oil. We drink freshly pressed green juice most mornings (spinach, carrot parsley ginger apple lemon). We don’t eat vegetable oils (only olive), grains (except white rice), legumes and very very little sugar and maybe 2-3 glasses of wine/week) Is latent chronic infection a possibility? I wonder about fungal/parasitic and or gut issues (bad dandruff, aggressive belching-even upon waking in the morning on empty stomach), smelly sneezes at times, possibly a little ringworm occasionally and peeling feet very recently -assuming fungal). My oh my I haven’t painted the prettiest of pictures here so you might be surprised to hear that he’s very attractive actually :) looks quite healthy and is in good physical shape-he’s a natural athlete-plus lots of walking, some yoga and I’m pushing him to add more high intensity exercise. Bahhhh! Sorry for the excessively long message. Just frustrated after putting so much care and effort into making good choices and getting results like this. Any feedback on which direction to turn would be helpful. I’m thinking turn more Mediterranean, fish, less chol/sat fat(?) double checking thyroid, and looking into infections… We don’t want to go the statin route if possible-are we putting my husband at risk not going straight to statins as the doctors are recommending?
    Thank you so much for your time.

  64. Lisa

    I am 43 with a LDL-p 2530 Total cholesterol was 209 LDL-c 128 HDL-c 52 Triglycerides 199 Non HDL-c 157..
    HDL2 7 HDL-P 40.5 elevated hs=CRP 6.23 Fribrinogen 475

    Anyway, wondering what diet I could do to lower LDL-p..? I have Hoshimotos, could that make my LDL-p so high.
    I am a women 5 10″ 172lbs.


  65. Doc´s opinion

    Hi Peter. Sorry for my late response. I read Dr. Patels article. Very interesting. I think you are right. We often tend to treat laboratory values. We have to see the whole picture. If there are no other risk factors, healthy lifestyle etc, a laboratory value such as LDL-C or LDL-P may be of limited value. We know that inflammation plays a role in atherosclerosis, and we know that lipids do as well. Possibly, turning down inflammation may make high LDL-C or LDL-P harmless. We still don´t know. There are ongoing clinical trials on the effects of anti-inflammatory drugs in patients with heart disease. They might actually provide some answers to the role of inflammation in cardiovascular disease.

  66. Judy

    I am 60 years old. I consider myself to be in great shape. Most people think I am 50. I don’t smoke, I exercise a lot, I eat what I think is healthy. My numbers are:

    Total cholesterol 218
    LDL 155
    HDL-C 68
    Triglycerides 51
    Apo B 110
    LDL-P 1712
    Apolipoprotein E 3/4
    MTHFR677 T/T
    Omega 3 Total 9.9%
    T4 6.9
    T3 uptake 37.2
    Free Thyroxine Index 2.6
    TSH 1.636
    Liver and Kidney numbers are good
    CRP was 9.8 – must have had infection took antibiotic and it is now 1.6
    Lp-PLA 226

    Lots of other numbers – not sure what you would want. My doctor wants me to take a baby aspirin. My last doctor said to quit the baby aspirin. That doctor did the Berkley test which showed LPA-AspirinChexk Ile/Ile – not sure if that is why he said stop. What do you think? What else can I do to avoid problems? Thank you so much. Just found this site and it is so informative.

  67. MomOfTwo

    Hi Doc! Thank you for this information. I have recently been put on statin and niacin therapy and would like to ask your opinion. I am a 34 yr old female, 5′ 6, 142 lbs. I am heterogenous for prothrombin mutation and MTHFR. I mention this because I recently had a stroke in the ear and suffered SSHL. Here are my numbers:

    Total – 174. 3 months prior=174
    LDL-C. 108. 97
    HDL-C 63. 59
    Triglycerides 90. 75
    NonHDL-C 111. 115

    ApoB 93. 96
    LDL-P 1548. 1116
    SdLDL-C31. 24
    %sdLDL-C 29. 24
    Apo A-1 133. 132
    HDL2-C 15. 19
    Apo B:apo A-1 ratio .70. .73

    Lp-PLA2 234. 239
    HsCRP 1.3. 20.4

    After my test 3 months prior I was put on niacin and baby aspirin once per day. Now my doctor has added pravastatin. I eat an anti inflammatory diet, mostly gluten and dairy free. I’m not a beef eater and never have been. I have a glass of red wine every evening while cooking dinner. I do EVERYTHING right with eating exercising etc. what do you think about this?

    Thank you! I never expected to have to deal with this stuff so young….

  68. Doc´s opinion

    John. Your lipid profile is not that bad really and does by itself not support statin therapy, considering that we are talking primary prevention. I agree with you that you should continue trying to lose weight. I think a Mediterranean type diet including exercise is definitively a good option in your situation. This will hopefully help lowering your TG. Indeed, a low carb version of the Mediterranean diet might be something to look at as well.

  69. MomOfTwo

    After reading my post I want to make sure it makes sense. The first numbers after the type of protein, etc are the most recent results taken in February. The second number is from the test taken in December 2012 after the stroke. I’m wondering why some of my numbers went up after being put on Niacin and baby aspirin??

  70. Mie

    “Possibly, turning down inflammation may make high LDL-C or LDL-P harmless.”

    Evidence of this?

    There’s plenty of evidence of inflammation dying out when dyslipidemia gets treated. It is a pro-inflammatory state.

  71. Doc´s opinion

    Lowering lipids is important and will affect risk. But it´s not a one way street. Affecting other risk factors is important as well, and will help reduce risk of heart disease. The importance of lipids as a risk factor becomes less if you can reduce the role of other risk factors.

  72. Doc´s opinion

    Hi Mike.
    You´ve certainly managed to improve your LDL-P by changing your lifestyle. Well done, congratulations. To me your numbers don´t look bad at all. Total cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL-C all quite acceptable. ApoB is fine and so is Lp (a). HsCRP is ok. No diabetes. Considering the absence of other risk factors such as family history, hypertension and smoking, the risk of cardiovascular disease in the near future should be quite low. It´s not for me to decide whether you should have statin treatment, but I would consider it very aggressive considering that your general risk is low and your lipids are not that bad really. I don´t think such as decision would be supported by any scientific trial.

  73. Doc´s opinion

    I would not consider you at high risk for sudden death if you don´t go on statins right away. However, I understand why your doctor worries about your lipid profile and assumes he/she may be able to lower your risk by prescribing statin therapy. Total cholesterol is a bit high, so is LDL-choleseterol. Both ApoB and LDL-P are to high. However, when considering risk and potential benefits of statin therapy you have to look at other risk factors as well, such as family history, smoking and blood pressure. You will also have to keep in mind potential side effects of such therapy.
    Your hsCRP is just above 2, so according to the JUPITER trial, statins may lower your risk for future cardiovascular events.
    Some specialists have claimed that the efficacy of statin therapy in primary prevention may be less in women than men. Dr.Barbara Roberts has written a wonderful book (The truth about statins) where she discusses the pros and cons of statin therapy and suggests that such treatment may be less influential in women than in men.
    I agree with your doctor that there are studies indicating that statin therapy may lower your risk of hart attack and stroke. The important thing however, is that you understand the magnitude of benefit, in relation to the risk of side effects. That is something you should be able to discuss with your doctor.
    I´m not sure that very low carbing is the best way to go for you. It might be, if you are overweight or have signs of the metabolic syndrome. If we look at cardiovascular risk in general, a Mediterranean type diet may be helpful.

  74. Doc´s opinion

    Hi Tami. Thanks for your post. Although Paleo and low carb diets have many health benefits they are certainly not the best diets to lower total cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol. In a normal weight person with LDL-levels this high, I would rather go for a Mediterranean type diet as you suggest, as it might lower cardiovascular risk. I don´t know whether your husband has any family history of premature coronary artery disease. If he had, you would certainly have to wonder whether he has familial hypercholesterolemia (FH). Maybe he should discuss with his doctor about genetic testing for FH. An Apo B of 1.53 g/L is certainly high as well. Under these circumstances, with the high ApoB and LDL-C, most cardiologists would recommend statin therapy. Lipid guidelines usually recommend statins if LDL-C is above 4.9 mmol/L 190 (mg/dL).

  75. Doc´s opinion

    @Judy. I hope you understand that it is very difficult and irresponsible of me give individual recommendations. Therefore I can only answer you in very general terms. If you don´t smoke, don´t have high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity or family history of premature coronary artery disease, your general risk is probably rather low despite the lipid numbers. Of course we would like to see lower numbers for LDL-C, LDL-P and ApoB. Your lifestyle appears to be healthy. Avoiding refined sugars and processed meat will probably help. A Mediterranean type diet may lower cardiovascular risk and may also lower your LDL-P. Lots of fish, vegetable, fruit, fiber and seeds is not a bad idea. Fish oil and/or omega-3 might be a good idea as well.

  76. Doc´s opinion

    @MomOfTwo. Sorry to hear about your stroke. I guess the main reason you are being treated with statins is the stroke, rather than the lipid numbers per se. In my practice we more or less give statins to all persons who suffer ischemic stroke. However, niacin is much less used in Europe than in the US. If your lifestyle is healthy as you suggest, including exercise and healthy food choices, I guess there is probably not much more you can do. According to the studies on the Mediterranean diet, a glass of red wine won´t hurt. I assume you are taking aspirin or some other blood thinner as well.

  77. Doc´s opinion

    @Lisa. You appear to have a typical discordance with an LDL-C that´s not to bad, but and LDL-P that´s quite high. Your triglycerides are high as well. However, to your benefit HDL-C is high as well. There is no particular diet that lowers LDL-P. A Mediterranean type diet may be helpful. Omega-3 may help as well. Reducing carbs may help. The Hashimotos might possibly explain the elevated hcCRP. Hypothyroidism may affect cholesterol levels, but I´m not aware of how, or if Hashimoto´s may affect LDL-P.

  78. Tami

    Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate your feedback. There is no family history of coronary artery disease, just the stroke as I mentioned above. We will still rule out FH. The interesting thing about this situation is that for the first year plus of paleo his cholesterol rose only modestly-this past reading increased from an LDL of 4.3 to 6.05. I appreciate that there’s a certain number after which statins are recommended, however this rapid surge begs the question why? Is it possible that there is an explanation or cause that should be at least looked for and addressed before artificially lowering the number? I’d love to understand the cause (could diet ALONE cause this dramatic sudden rise when we’ve been eating this way for almost 2 years? If so, then shouldn’t diet alone be able to lower it?).

  79. Doc´s opinion

    I understand your concern Tami. You´re wondering why there has been such a change in a short time. Maybe he could try a Mediterranean type diet for a while, and try to avoid animal fats and dairy fats in particular, as well as refined sugars and processed meats, which I´m in fact almost sure he already does. Fish oils and omega-3 supplements may be helpful as well. Then he could have his lipid numbers reevaluated in six months. Sometimes hypothyroidism (low thyroid function) causes elevation of LDL-cholesterol, but I assume this has been ruled out already.

  80. Judy

    Thank you so much for responding. I appreciate your suggestions and will work on them. God bless.

  81. Mike

    Are you seriously trying to imply that low cholesterol causes infections, parasites, cancer, and violent behavior? If you look at that graph, it’s obvious that the countries with low cholesterol are Third World Nations with poor sanitation, disease epidemics, civil war, etc. Do you think you could protect yourself from HIV by eating enough butter, sir?

  82. Michael Lebowitz

    Over the past 2 years I suffered 2 PE’s that I think chronic lyme contributed to.
    CHD runs in the family
    Two weeks ago I ran these tests
    Tot Chol 289
    LDL 199
    Trig 143
    ApoB 150
    sdLDL-C 57
    Apo A1 154
    HDL-P 45
    HDL2-C 14
    CRP .4
    Lipo (a) 31
    5 weeks before total cholesterol was 251 and Lipo (a) was 8. the only difference was upping coconut oil and taking a B12/Folic/ B6 supplement.
    I am on coumadin due to the PEs and am considering adding 500mg niacin and maybe 500mg Omega 3. I don’t eat junk but am not sure which way to go with my diet, if I should add the supplements (will they thin the blood too much while on coumadin) and how concerned I should be with these lab values? And is it common for Lipo (a) to go from 8 to 31 in 5 weeks? Thanks in advance

  83. John

    I am a 58 year old with a BMI of 29 and a family history of chd. I have cleaned up
    my diet and take fish oil, aspirin, metoprolol and atorvastatin (40mg).
    Can you give me any advice on reducing my risk?

    My blood work recently showed me in the high risk category as shown below.

    LDL-P 1213
    LDL-C 64
    HDL-C 49
    TG 54
    HDL-P 27.9
    SMALL LDL-P 852
    LDL SIZE 20.2

    Thank you for any advice.

  84. Mark

    I’m a 62 yr old male, 5’9″, 138 lbs . Body fat % around 20%. Have had RA for 15 years (controlled now with Enbrel – latest CRP was .03, HS-crp is also low, sed rates between 1-4), diabetes for about the same time. Control Diabetes through diet/exercise. Had let my diet slip and hba1c had crept up to 7.4. Went on Paleo diet and have brought that down to 5.3. TC is 194, LDL-C is 120,TG are 69,HDL 60. Take 5000 IU of Vit D to keep levels around 50. Also take highly concentrated fish oil (2tsps of Barleans Signature Fish Oil)- roughly 2-4G/day.

    My family doctor wants me to go on low-dose statin, primarily due to my diabetes and RA. I’m not really wanting to go in that direction. I requested particle size testing, but apparently the lab manager screwed up the test and once they figure that out, I’ll get retested.

    From what I’ve outlined above, do you think I’m a candidate for statins? (both parents lived into their 90′s – had a grandfather on my mother’s side die of heart attack in his mid 60′s)

    Thanks so much! All of the comments and your responses have been fascinating and quite illuminating. I appreciate the effort you put into this!


  85. Janet

    I’m in the center of the U.S. in Missouri and found this site while searching for info on how to determine my cardiac risk. I am due for a blood draw on Friday and have talked to my doctor about getting an LDL-P test (in addition to the normal cholesterol level checks he does) based on some research I have done. He (a general practitioner) knew nothing of the test but with my explanation he agreed that it might be a good idea. I am a 49 year old female following a whole foods/clean eating program which has greatly improved my health and allowed me to lose 85 pounds, drop my triglycerides by over 100 points, and greatly stabilize my blood pressure (which I take prescription meds for). The doc is working with me on reducing the BP meds and monitoring my BP readings. My last blood work showed everything in normal range, but my total cholesterol was hovering at 200 which made my doctor a bit nervous & the level was actually elevated a little from prior checks. I’ve been eating clean with low carbs, almost no sugar, healthy fats (no hydrogenated oils), no artificial sweeteners, and no unfermented soy for almost 2 years now. Do you see any other test that I should ask for, or do you think that if the LDL-P number is low and the rest come back in normal range that I can feel comfortable that as long as I continue to eat this way and exercise that my risk is low? I do have family history of heart disease. Thanks, Janet

  86. Janet

    I guess I should add…. I started at 250 lbs. almost 2 years ago and am now about 165 lbs. I’m 5’5″ tall. I walk 2 miles & work with light weights about 5x a week. Janet

  87. Mike

    59 year old male

    I had a my carotid artery cleaned out recently. They also did a nuclear stress test which was fine. I am on 20g of Crestor .mThinking about adding a bile /colesevelam also to lower LDL-p further. I am 184lbs, 5’11″. LDL-P is over 2000, LDL 185 before Crestor. Crestor effects muscles when exersising and when I added Zetia forget it, could hardly walk. Should I take other LDL-P lowering drugs? Is bile seq. a good idea (removed gall bladder years ago). What about a fibrate? I’ll continue the Crestor even if it makes me feel bad. In addition I had low thyroid, but it is normal now since taking Armour Thyroid. I find it odd that I have very low TG and alot of small LDL=P. l Like your opinion.

    TG 29
    HDL 48
    LDL 84
    LDL-P 1700
    LDL-P size 20.5
    Insulin varies 4 to 6
    A1c 5.4
    Fasting blood sugar varies 82 to 90

  88. Cheryl

    I received test results back and have the following: LDL-P 1829, LDL-C 112, Triglycerides 239, Small LDL-P 1088. I am watching my diet and exercising, but would like to know what vitamins would help. A friend suggested fish oil tablets. Suggestions?

  89. Micheal. It is always difficult for me and probably irresponsible to give advice in individual cases so I will try to respond in general terms. I often recommend Omega-3 in similar situations. Lipo(a) is usually stable and not very much affected by diet.Reducing intake of saturated fats may be helpful to get your LDL-C down a bit more. I don´t know about your body weight though or whether you have insulin resistance. Avoiding refined sugars and limiting simple carbs may help lowering LDL-P. CRP is not elevated which is good.

  90. John. I think your blood work is acceptable. LDL-C is low, probably due to the statin therapy. You are a bit overweight. Reducing refined sugars and simple carbs may help you lose weight and lower LDL-P further, particle size might also be positively affected. Don´t forget to exercise.

  91. Mark. The statin issue is always a bit difficult in primary prevention. It would be irresponsible of me to advise you on whether to take a statin drug or not. Your LDL-C is not that bad really, although some doctors might recommend statins because of your diabetes. However, you seem to be controlling your diabetes rather well with diet. Particle testing might help or even measuring hsCRP, though the latter might be elevated due to your RA.

  92. Mark

    hs-crp was .3, which is quite low, so good there. Am awaiting particle testing results. Recent (4 weeks ago) homocysteine level was 11.4 (4.0-15.4). Any thoughts on that or how to lower it? I’ve read that methotrexate can increase that and I am reducing that (down to 7.5mg/week from 22.5mg/wk), since Enbrel seems to be controlling the RA without the need for methotrexate. I read that folate, B12, and B6 would help to bring homocysteine levels down, but I’m not sure how much I should be taking. Generally, I have been taking 1200mcg of folic acid per day, but I have ordered a better form (5-Methyl-tetrahydrofolate) and will start taking it. I had read that one should shoot for a reading of 6 or below. Not sure if I can get to that point or not.

    Both my family doc and my endocrinologist want me to take a low dose statin, but I think that is primarily because that is what they are taught (if you have RA and diabetes,then you at risk and thus are a fool not to take this). I’m just not sure and when I read the possible side effects, I’m even less sure. So I really don’t know who to believe – the docs who firmly believe statins don’t have a role in people with no prior heart disease, or the docs I currently see who might just be afraid to walk out on that plank.

    Does the fact that I have diabetes and RA outweigh the fact that I’ve never had heart disease, have BP of 100/60, eat healthy, exercise, etc? Perhaps the particle test will shed some light, although I’ve read that on Paleo diets, # of particles can sometimes be high. I also eat quite a bit of coconut products – I wonder if that would contribute to a higher LDL?

    Thanks for helping me to try and figure this out!


  93. Janet

    So, I went ahead and had my doc get the LipoProfile test. He’s not a cardiologist and was unfamiliar with the test that I suggested. He’s happy, but I’d really like an understanding of the values, since my Cholesterol total was borderline according to traditional testing @ 190. Here are my numbers from the LipoProfile. Can you give an opinion/interpretation for me as to what these numbers really mean?

    Also, why do these numbers vary from the traditional Lipid Panel testing that he also did (Cholesterol 190; Triglyceride 59; HDL 58; LDL Calculated 120)?? Thanks.

    LDL-P: 1335
    LDL-C: 132
    HDL-C: 74
    Triglycerides: 45
    Cholesterol, Total: 215
    HDL-P (Total): 36.2
    Small LDL-P: 386
    LDL Size: 21.4
    LP-IR Score: 13

  94. Sam

    I just got my blood test results and am pretty upset that my LDL-P came up unsually high. I am a 54 male 5′ 10″ and a little underweight at 160. I try to exercise once or twice a week. Am eating most organic foods at home but not so when I eat at restaurants. I avoid all fast foods though. I have been taking krill oil for the past year or so. Was told that it was more effective than fish oil. I am very much against taking any kind of statin.

    I am relatively healthy and have parents that lived in their 80′s.

    Here are my results:

    LDL-P 1618
    LDL-C 130
    HDL-C 41
    TRIGLY 140
    HDL-P 27.9
    SMALL LDL-P 794
    LDL SIZE 20.4
    LP-IR SCORE 55

  95. Yet, my wife is hypothyroid and despite taking 100mg of T4 daily, she still has symptoms such as brittle nails, hair loss, insomnia. After reading Sarah Gottfried’s book, the Hormone Cure, she had her free T3, free T4, reverse T3 and antibodies tested to determine if she had Hashimoto’s, which it looks like she most likely has. Most articles she has read would indicate that TSH alone doesn’t tell you squat and that the other tests are vital. I suspect she is a candidate for Armour, although her doctors are reluctant to prescribe “natural” products and have so far started her on Cytomel in addition to her Levoxyl. Too soon to see what effect that is having.

  96. Well, I got my NMR back today. I’m 5’9″, 136 lbs, BMI 20, body fat% 20. 62 yr old male. I have diabetes (c-peptide score .54, indicating that pancreas is slowly giving up the ghost), and RA for which I take Enbrel. BP is 100/60. HS-crp is .3 . Last HBA1c was 5.3 (I have brought it down from 7.3). Liver enzymes all good. I have been on a low -carb Paleo diet for last 8 months or so. Only form of sugar I eat is small quantities of berries and some very small quantities of 80% dark chocolate. No grains. Mostly wild fish, veggies, salads, nuts, chicken, grass-fed beef. Do use coconut butter in morning smoothies along with MCT oil, avocados,etc. Usually restrict my nuts to macadamia nuts (low omega 6), on rare occasions almonds or pecans. Take 2-4 grams of Barleans concentrated fish oil daily.

    It seems that my total cholesterol has risen as has my calculated LDL-C (was around 120 previously). HDL continues to climb since being on Paleo. First time I’ve had this test run, so not sure how my LDL-P particle number compares to where I was before.

    Haven’t talked to my family doc about this yet, but know that she thinks my particle size scores were quite good. In the past , she had been suggesting statins to me due to my LDL scores and my diabetes/RA. Not sure what she will decide now

    Your take on my scores?

    HDL-P 30.5 u/mol/L
    Small LDL-P 96 nmol/L
    LDL size – 21 nm

    Large VLDL-P <.7
    Small LDL-P 96
    Large HDL-P 10.4
    VLDL size – ** (VLDL concentration too low to allow determination of VLDL size)
    LDL size – 21.9
    HDL size – 9.5 nm
    LP-IR score 5

    LDL-P 1463
    LDL-C 139
    HDL-C 65
    TG – 48
    Total Cholesterol 214
    TG/HDL ratio – .74


    PS – I find my LP-IR score of 5 intriguing since I am a diabetic. I assume it must be this low because of how I'm controlling it by diet?

  97. Mike

    Just came across this site. I too have experienced the increase of TC and LDL. However as I consider the FH diagnosis, everything Ive read is that FH is almost never been able to be controlled by diet alone, which clearly is not the case in many Paleo eaters that encounter this sudden rise in TC and LDL.

  98. Francois

    I´m a 55 year old male.I just had an NMR test done and am a bit puzzled by the results:

    LDL-P 1340 HIGH (Ref <1000)
    LDL-C 213 (Ref =40)
    Triglycerides 57 (Ref <150)
    Cholesterol, Total 320 (Ref = 30.5)
    Small LDL-P < 90 (Ref 20.5)
    Large VLDL-P 2.4 (Ref <= 2.7)
    Small LDL-P < 90 (Ref = 4.8)
    VLDL Size 39.7 (Ref = 20.8)
    HDL Size 9.7 (Ref >= 9.2)
    LP-IR Score (Ref <= 45)

    Here are the results without the reference ranges:

    LDL-P 1340
    LDL-C 213
    HDL-C 96
    Triglycerides 57
    Cholesterol, Total 320
    HDL-P (Total) 45.0
    Small LDL-P < 90
    LDL Size 22.2
    Large HDL-P 15.9
    VLDL Size 39.7
    HDL Size 9.7
    LP-IR Score 15

    The LP-IR Score combines the information from Large VLDL-P, Small LDL-P, Large HDL-P, VLDL Size, LDL Size and HDL Size to give improved assessment of insulin resistance and diabetes risk.

    LDL-P is somewhat high and LDL-C and TC are obviously very high, but everything else is good. I'm 5'10, 160 pounds, so not overweight, and my blood pressure is excellent every time it's checked. Not sure what to make of this. Thoughts?

  99. Diplo

    Just got labs back.
    Total chol 222
    LDL-c 148
    Hdl-c 55
    Trigly 94
    LDL-p 1710
    Small LDL-p 341
    Hdl-p 27.3
    LDL particle size 21.5
    Lp-ir score 32

    LDL c and LDL-p high. Hdl p low. What exactly do these results mean? How can I get the numbers in range? I’m wm 5’10 175 lbs. family history of high cholesterol. Any natural remedies that might work? Coq-10?


  100. Anita

    Hey Doc

    I have been doing paleo for 1 1/2 years. My BMI is 21 and no other health risk. I was doing crossfit religiously for 10 months then got side tracked with a long vacation and personal stuff. Anyways I got my results from my nmr as follows:

    Ldl-p 1473
    Ldl-c 177
    Tc. 261
    Hdl-c 78
    TG. 28
    Hdlp total 30.8
    Small ldl-p. 132
    Ldl size 21.5
    Large vldlp 0.7
    Small ldl p 132
    Large hdl p 14.3
    Ldl size 21.5
    Hdl size 10
    Lp-ir. 4
    Crp 0.34

    The CRNP had initially wanted me on a statin with only the basic results done by her:

    Tc 222
    Hdl 64
    Ldl 147
    Tg. 57
    Vldl 11
    Hdl risk factor 3.5

    I didn’t want to start on meds. After speaking with my doc he said I didn’t need to and he didn’t want to order the additional testing. He said I wasn’t high risk. So I ordered it online myself. He doesn’t know about the nmr results. Can you enlighten me some on what you think of them please?

  101. Diplo. I´m not sure whether you are a man or a woman or how old you are. These factors play a role when assessing risk. You are right, LDL-C is relatively high and so is LDL-P. I wouldn´t consider these numbers extremely bad though. HDL-C is ok, at least if you are a man. Small LDL-p is ok and so is LDL particle size. I don´t think there are any natural remedies apart from healthy eating that might help you improve your numbers. I suggest you analyze your current eating habits and see where you can improve.

  102. Sheila

    Hi there!
    I am a 35 year old Caucasian mother of a 3 yr old, 2 yr old, and 6 mo old… Admittedly I have a poor diet and do not exercise… I am 5’10″ tall and weigh 140 pounds…both my parents are on meds for high cholesterol… I am a non-smoker and drink socially on weekends – here goes:
    I went to a pcp for a physical….sat there for two hours for what took all of 3 minutes and was scheduled to come back to follow up in two weeks.
    Returned in two weeks and told them I couldn’t wait that long again bc had to picks kids up from preschool…was told itd be no problem bc the dr was on schedule & they’d also note the chart with what time I had to leave by….after waiting an hour I had to go & asked for a call with my test results.
    A month later (yesterday) I call for said results…was told everything was “fine” and they said I could pick up copies of the results.
    Just picked them up…everything is not fine bc several lines of results were highlighted for being flagged for being out of range. Could you tell me if I should find a dr to follow up with on those results or just wait until next years physical? Here are the highlighted ones:
    BUN/Creatine Ratio: 22
    LDL-P: 1761
    LDL-C: 136
    Total Cholesterol: 215
    Small LDL-P: 890
    Any advice?

  103. Randall Beck

    I would appreciate your opinion on my lipid profile. I have always been borderline and the docs have wanted me on statins but I have resisted (220 total, 170 LDL). Then my numbers spiked a few months ago. After that, I went on low sat fat diet (no red meat, no animal dairy) for 3 months, and my numbers are only marginally better, but the full profile paints a bleak picture (see below). My wife’s numbers did the same. We are like, what the heck? We might as well eat all the red meat we want. Nurse practitioner wants to put me on the strongest dose of the strongest statin (Crestor). That scares me more than my lipid profile.
    Before low sat fat diet:
    Total: 268
    HDL-C: 45
    LDL-C 200
    Trigs: 115
    After low sat fat diet: (I had to pay for the whole profile, the doc would not do it)
    Total: 248
    HDL-C: 42
    LDL-C 179
    Trigs: 136

    LDL-P: 2283
    Small LDL-P: 1460
    LDL size: 20.1
    HDL-P: 25
    Large HDL-P: .9
    HDL size: <8.3
    Large VLDL-P: <.7
    VLDL size: 41.4

    CRP: .9

    I am 52 years old. Height 6 feet, weight 170 (my Grandpa's nickname was "skinny"). No history of heart disease in family, but Dad has high numbers (but not as bad as mine). Very active, run/sprint 3-4 times a week, or Greg Brooks challenge 250. Fancy scale puts BMI at 23. Eat fish. lean chicken, veges and salad for dinner. Flax seed-chia-spinach leaf-protein powder-spirulina-blueberry shake for breakfast. I watch my carbs (no ice cream, minimize sugary snacks, no sugary drinks-unless you count beer and wine). Don't know what else I could do. I am starting 1/2 a grapefruit a day, as that actually had the most effect in the past, believe it or not, in reducing my numbers (using a home checker).

  104. Doc´s opinion

    Randall. You definitively seem to be doing everything right in terms of diet and lifestyle. To a large part our lipids are genetically determined. However, to your benefit, there is no family history of heart disease. I´ve seen a number of families where lipid numbers are abnormal but heart disease seems to strike rarely. It appears that there isn’t much more you can do in terms of lifestyle. So, the question remains on whether to take a statin or not. Remember that most people tolerate statins very well. However, there is 9 percent increased risk of diabetes with these drugs. I’m in favor of shared decision making. Discuss with your doctor the possible benefits and the possible disadvantages of statin therapy. The question is always whether the assumed benefits outweigh the risks.

  105. Randall Beck

    Thanks for your response. What struck me about your response is that you made no mention of inflammation and my low CRP number. If inflammation is the new (or possibly only) “boogeyman” with CHD, then I find it odd that you would not at least mention it. I guess what I am driving at is this: If inflammation is and stays low, can a person ignore lipid levels and stay off of statins?

  106. Doc´s opinion

    Randall. I probably didn’t mention inflammation because CRP was fine.

  107. Doc's opinion

    Sheila. There is moderate elevation of lipid numbers such as LDL-C and LDL-P. The most important thing for you is to reconsider your diet and lifestyle in general. BUN/creatinine ratio reflects kidney function. It should measure between 7-20. A small, temporary increase can occur during illness or dehydration; the numbers usually return to normal during recovery, but you should have it rechecked soon

  108. Miguel Jorge

    Hi, Doctor:

    I just received my lab report and the numbers are as follows:
    LDL-P 1003
    LDL-C 88
    HDL-C 69
    Trigly 79
    Choles-Total 173
    HDL-P Total 42.8
    Small LDL-P 655
    LDL Size 20.3
    LP-IR Score 44

    I have slight high blood pressure and taking Lisinopril 5 mg one a day, Simvastatin 40 mg one a day, Metoprolol Er 50mg one a day, and an aspring 81 mg one a day.

    I have an ICD (pacemaker + defibillator) due to an episode of ventricular tachycardia in 2010. This is under control and have not had a problem since.

    I like to know what you think of my latest lab report with my condition I have mentioned above. I have never smoke, exercise 5 times a week, and drink a glass of wine with dinner. My weight is 160lbs and I am 5’7″ and 61 years old.

    Thank you very much for your assistance as this is very important to me.

  109. Doc's opinion

    Miguel. I think your numbers are quite good indeed. The effect of simvastatin is best reflected in your relatively low LDL-C. However, if you have coronary artery disease you might want to see LDL-C lower than 70. In that case atorvastatin 40 mg is more effective than simvastatin 40 mg. You could discuss that with your doctor. If you don´t have coronary artery disease or established atherosclerotic disease, your numbers appear very acceptable. I wouldn´t worry too much about the other numbers.

  110. Miguel Jorge

    Thank you for your response. Great news! I will talk to my cardiologist on my December appointment about atorvastatin.

  111. joy

    I just had extensive lipid panels done and never had the LDL-P done until these labs, and shocked at the high #2216….last year was a bad one as I ate a LOT of deli meats (salami/turkey processed) and too much cheese….so NOW I’m off all deli and cheese.

    I also went off Omega 3′s last year, don’t ask. I’m 75, a mess hip replacement keeps me pretty inactive and I’m probably 20lbs overweight….total chol is 237, last year it was 191…could all this processed crap really mess me up? Never smoked, no drinking now and both parents lived to 90+…how concerned should I be.

    What about homocysteine, no one mentions this..this year it was 20, last year or so 13…could this be all the processed junk too…….I’m off all that crap.

    I eat very little carbs, no breads, no cookies/pasteries and a little bit of ice cream now and then…..will I make it…..

  112. Doc´s opinion

    Joy. I don’think you should have to worry that much. Many studies indicate that there is a positive correlation between blood cholesterol and survival in your age group, meaning that those with higher cholesterol have a better survival than those with low levels. Your family history is also benign considering your parents longevity. Nonetheless, healthy food choices are important for you. I agree with you on the processed food, try to avoid that as well as added or refined sugar. Regular walking is helpful and omega-3 supplement is probably not a a bad idea.

  113. Terri

    I am a 55 year old female, with a BMI of 23. I exercise regularly and have never smoked. The results of my recent blood work showed no thyroid or blood sugar problems. My triglycerides are 97, HDL is 62 and LDL is 148. Due to my LDL number and an overall cholesterol number of 229, my doctor ordered a carotid artery scan which revealed minimal plaque. He wants to put me on a statin. I am apprehensive about taking one, but do not want to put myself at greater risk. I have begun taking a low dose aspirin, per his recommendation and take omega 3 supplements. Does the presence of plaque mean I have coronary disease and would the statin be beneficial?

  114. Doc's opinion

    Terri. The presence of a plaque in a carotid artery does not say anything about whether coronary artery disease is present or not. To me your general risk profile appears relatively benign, you don’t mention family history though. Your lipid profile is not perfect with LDL-C in the intermediate range, but that does not by itself indicate high risk for cardiovascular events. If you don´t have high blood pressure or diabetes, your calculated risk appears very low. So the demonstration of a carotid artery plaque appears to be the main reason why your doctor wants to put you on statin therapy. I would have a discussion with him on the pros pan cons of such therapy. Does the benefit of such therapy in your case outweigh the risk of side effects?

  115. joy

    I am so worn out on MD’s wanting to Statin(izing) the world…. I would NOT touch those drugs.

    Latest News from Anderson Cooper on CNN last night…..

    They had a segment on the “new” guidelines and how they are being questioned by many. Dr. Gupta was talking to Anderson about this and Anderson who is 44 as I recall said he’s been on statins for many years….Claims no muscle joint pain but went on to say his memory is not what it should be, he’s 44 which is young young…

    Gupta went on to say 24Million are taking statins and if the new guidelines happen, that number could go to 70Million….I won’t be in that number…..

    But if I were in the stockmarket and loved this drug, I’d sure look into the companies who produce statins…I’d NEVER buy stock based on drugs that do harm….

    Keep with the Omega 3′s, read some of Weston A Price information on cholesterol/homocysteine….I’ve been an advocate of the Price Foundation for many years…

    Keep your exercise program, don’t smoke/little drinking if needed…I’m 75 and I’d love your BMI. The statin world is crazy.

  116. Great website and blog. I think I should recommend that the readers check out L-Arginine products for their blood pressure and atherosclerotic concerns. It should improve blood lipids without negative side-effects.

  117. I got quite a shock when my Doctor told me that my bad cholesterol was high. But I found that changing my diet (and maintaining my exercise habit) was all that I needed to do to address the problem. Within 12 weeks, I had successfully lowered my bad cholesterol. It was a relief to know that I had achieved this healthy outcome naturally.

  118. Dear Doc,
    A couple of questions for you as I am trying to grasp a better understanding of risk management with regards to CVD.

    1. do you think cvd risk (as measured by current medical guidelines) is different for someone with existing cvd vs. someone with undiscovered cvd?
    2. If diet , lifestyle, or pharmaceutical changes are made, can progression of cvd be halted (or reversed)?
    I have read countless studies, papers, articles, reviews, blogs etc.. that discuss risk as potential development but never clearly addresses the millions of us with diagnosed cvd.
    At the age of 49 I was so diagnosed and had 12 stents placed. An athlete my entire life, (symptoms while running on the track triggered a stress test leading to the procedure) I spent the next 6 years on statins and the typically prescribed low fat “heart healty” diet. I was moved from one statin to the next as side affects of muscle cramps, joint pain, and headaches finally became unbearable. Under the theory that inflammation is a primary cause of athero development, I began a strict Paleo diet / exercise program 1.5 years ago. After transitioning to Paleo I literally have never felt better in my life. I have just recently had an NMR done and although my cardiologist is alarmed and wants a return to statins, my numbers are very confusing. I would imagine you have seen this scenario before and would very much like to hear your take on a combination of very high partical number, very high HDL, and very low trigs.

    I am now 57 years old, 6’ tall, 165lbs.

    LDL-p 2222
    LDL-c 240
    HDL-c 73
    Triglycerides 38
    Total Chol 315
    HDL-p 29.2
    Small LDL-p 161
    LDL size 21.5
    Lp Ir score 8

  119. Doc's opinion

    Michael. I don’t really think that the approach to risk management should be different depending on whether the person has existing CVD or undiscovered underlying disease. However, if CVD is present our approach in general is more aggressive than if risk factors are present in someone without confirmed disease. I assume that´s the difference between primary and secondary prevention.

    I’m sorry to hear about you being diagnosed with blockages in your coronary arteries at such a young age. There is a lot of evidence indicating that statins reduce the risk of new cardiovascular events in similar circumstances. However, I guess nobody really knows whether this is due to their lowering of LDL-cholesterol or their anti-inflammatory or antit-thrombotic effect. I have a tendency to believe that lipid lowering effects of statins may be a byproduct and that their clinical efficacy relates to other mechanisms (pleiotropic effects). However, side effects of statins are difficult to deal with, like in your case, and sometimes these drugs may cause more harm than good.

    The lipid profile you present is often seen with carbohydrate restriction and relatively high fat consumption. There are certainly some positives like the low TG and relatively high HDL-C. Of course the high LDL-C and LDL-P is a concern. The traditional approach would certainly be to recommend that you try to lower your LDL-P and LDL-P, possibly by cutting down on saturated fat. I understand that stains are problematic in your case due to side effects.

    Maybe a Mediterranean type diet is something you should think about. It allows some healthy carbs and fat is a relatively large proportion of energy consumption. Olive oil plays a large part. However, red meat is limited. This diet is rich rich in fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grains, fish, nuts, and low-fat dairy products. It seems to protect against the development and progression of CVD. This is actually supported by a lot of scientific evidence.

  120. Thanks for your reply,
    Since 2006 four different elements of the “lipid panel” have evolved into the “first” position as the best way to determine risk and treatment. First it was simply elevated LDL. Then it became a “ratio” factor. After that it was absolutely “particle size”. And now, “certainly” it is Particle Number. I guess we should be thankful for an evolving scientific understanding of underlying cause, but unfortunately this does not bring clarity. So many questions remain and the deeper one digs the more obvious this lack of understanding becomes. I do appreciate your suggestion on tweeking diet (Mediterranean), but I guess one important question we don’t know the answer to is if an LDL-P of 2,000 in someone who eats no carbs is the same as an LDL-P of 2,000 in someone who does. Again, I very much appreciate your insights and will continue to follow your enlightened website.

  121. Doc's opinion

    I think you’re absolutely spot on Michael. We cannot allow ourselves to only look at numbers from laboratory measurements. That may be helpful when looking at large groups but problematic when looking at one individual. I believe as you do that a high LDL-C or LDL-P may have totally different meaning for two individuals. Lifestyle certainly plays a role. What I find most interesting about the Paleo lifestyle is the avoidance of refined foods. I certainly think the inflammatory aspect plays an important role. So, if you choose a healthy lifestyle with a lot of exercise, and take care of your diet, an LDL-P above 2000 will play a much smaller role than for somebody who ignores the lifestyle issues. Statins can never replace healthy diet choices, exercise and not smoking – but they certainly can make your life problematic and sometimes miserable, although they somehow seem to have a protective effect on atherosclerotic heart disease.

    Again, thanks for reminding us that it’s not all about the laboratory numbers. It’s about our lifestyle and how we take care of ourselves. Of course there are genetic aspects as well, but must of those we can’t change.

  122. Kevin O'Connell

    Low-fat dairy is not part of the Mediterranean diet (it is part of the N. American “Mediterranean Diet”). The significant dairy components of Md are all high fat: Feta cheese is about 70% fat, Greek yoghurt about 60%+ fat (not, of course, N.American “lo-fat Greek-style yogurt”!!). I live in France, not very far from the Med (about 150km/90miles) and our local sheep (& goat) cheeses (no meal without some) are all 40-60% fat. Our local cream is about 90% fat (of which 60%+ SAFA).

  123. Doc's opinion

    Thanks for the comment Kevin.

    I don’t disagree with you and you probably know better than I do about dietary traditions in the Mediterranean countries. I’ve often witnessed discussions on what a Mediterranean type diet is. I guess that you can find all kinds of diets in the Mediterranean countries today. What I was referring to is the definition that is most often used in the epidemiological and interventional studies. For example, here is how the concept is defined in the ATTICA study paper: “A diet rich in fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grains, fish, nuts, and low-fat dairy products protects against the development and progression of CVD. The traditional Mediterranean diet, whose principal source of fat is olive oil, encompasses these dietary characteristics”. So, in terms of nutritional research the term “Mediterranean Diet” covers a certain definition. It is well outlined on the OLDWAYS website here.

  124. Ramin

    Hi Doc,
    I am 46 years old male with familial history of high lipid profile. My recent tests show:
    LDL-P 2053
    HDL-P 25.6
    LDL particle size 20.9
    Large VLDL particle number 7.4
    Large HDL particle number 0.9
    VLDL size 50
    HDL size <8.3
    LP-IR 73

    My LDL-C was always high (150-170); fasting glucose always 105-112, A1C 5.4-5.9.
    I have this stupid belly fat that does not want to go away.
    After looking at the numbers, do you have any suggestions? I started taking Niacin 500 mg/day and 500 mg of Artichoke Extract. I don’t want to go on statin drug for as long as I can.
    Thank you.

  125. Anupam Ghosh

    Hi Doc..
    I am 36 years old male. I am diabetic and Hypertension patient. after medicine both of under control.. jst now my sugar level-fasting 82 and PP-120. My Lipid profile. Total Cholesterol 140. Trygliceride-75 LDL-83 HDL-42 VLDL-15. Is it need for statin therapy.. I am not smoker.

  126. James Butler

    Labs recently came back pretty bad. I don’t eat fast foods or fatty foods but do love sweets. I get regular exercise non smoker or drinker, 35 years old 6ft 240lbs. Outside of too much sugar I don’t eat too bad and I usually struggle to lose weight. Family history is bad too my dad passed away from a MI at 49 so genetics are against me. A statin has been ordered and seems unavoidable. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks

    LDL particle number 2234 very high is >2000
    LDL 158
    HDL 53
    Tryg 161
    Total C 243
    HDL-P 39.6
    LDL-P 1276 high is > 839
    LDL size 20.3
    Large VLDL 6.3
    VLDL size 52.1
    Large HDL 2.1
    HDL size 8.5
    Insulin resistant score 77 should be <=45

  127. Ramin

    To James Buttler:
    I know how you feel. Please look into using Niacin (nicotinic acid form only). I have used it in the last two months. I lost 25 Ibs and all my out-of-range lab values are normal (something that I could never achieve even with using statin drugs). See my previous posting on December 20, 2013. Never give up!

  128. Miguel Jorge

    I did as you said and ask my Cardiologist to switch to atorvastatin 40 mg. My results came back and my LDL-C is 63. This is a great improvement. Thank you very much for your recommendation!!!

  129. Axel F Sigurdsson

    That’s great to hear Miguel. Wish you all the best.

    - Axel

  130. Dear Doctor,

    This is divakar and my lipid profile is as follows.

    Total Cholesterol-145mg/dl
    Triglycerides- 172mg/dl
    HDL- 29mg/dl
    LDL- 82mg/dl
    VLDL- 34mg/dl
    Cholesterol/HDL ratio- 5.0:1

    please advise me about the result

  131. Axel F Sigurdsson

    Total cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol are both low which is considered good. However, triglycerides are high and HDL-cholesterol very low. A high triglyceride/HDL- cholesterol ratio is sometimes associated with insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome. I don’t know whether you are dealing with abdominal obesity or have other signs of the metabolic syndrome like high blood pressure for example. If so, it might help to cut sugar and refined carbs and try to lose weight.

  132. James Bronson

    Dear Doctor,

    I have been on a strict low carb / high fat diet for the last two months in order to lose weight. The weight loss has progressed great, as I have lost about 25 lbs. (38 year old 6’1″ male 230lbs to 205 lbs.)

    While the weight loss is great, it seems to have majorly impacted my cholesterol numbers.

    My numbers in 2011:
    Triglyceride – 39
    HDL – 71
    LDL (calculated) – 119

    My numbers this week:
    Triglyceride – 77
    HDL – 67
    LDL (calculated) – 330 (!)

    Unfortunately, they didn’t test for ldl-p.

    Your advice seems to be to cut sugar/carbs, but I’ve had no sugar and no carbs whatsoever for a couple months now.

    What might cause this? (Both of my parents are alive, and neither have high cholesterol)
    What actions should I consider?
    Is it possible to have LDL-C of 330, but still have reasonable LDL-P? (Or is this LDL-C result so far off the charts that my LDL-P must be elevated?)

  133. Axel F Sigurdsson


    Without doubt, your weight loss has improved your health.

    These lipid response is not uncommon on a low carb/high fat diet. Some people respond with a very high LDL-cholesterol and high total cholesterol. However, we don’t know what this means in terms of risk. Although LDL-cholesterol is generally associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease, we don’t know what it means in this particular metabolic situation. It is quite possible that your high LDL-cholsesterol is harmless, I really can’t tell.

    With this LDL-cholesterol, your LDL particle number is most probably too high as well. It surprises my a bit that your triglycerides have gone up. That’s unusual on this type of diet. However, we all do respond differently to low carb/hig fat. If you want to lower your LDL-cholesterol you will probably have to lower your saturated fat consumption, and then replace them by other type of fats, that is if you want to continue with this type of diet.

  134. M Hunt


    I am 50 yrs old male, 170lbs, 5’10″, BP 104/70, HR 65, non-smoker, exercise regulary (biking), ski winter. I have a generally sedentary lifestyle when at home and work. Eat healthy (1 cup coffee w/non-dairy creamer, healthy lunch) I tend to eat larger meals after 5pm (meats, veggies-salad) and snack on nuts and fruit at night. My family has very little if any measurable heart disease and typically on both sides live to 85-100+ (depending on marraige and children ;) ) My dad smoked for 15-20 years and quit 35 years ago and is now 85 and recently had 2 stents put in and is doing great. Other than that not much in family history that I know.

    My recent numbers;

    LDL-P 2178
    LDL-C 182
    HDL-C 60
    Tri 63
    Total 255
    HDL-P 39.2
    Small LDL-P 796
    LDL size 21.2
    Large VLDL-P <0.8
    Large HDL-P 4.3
    VLDL Size nm
    LDL Size 21.2
    HDL Size 8.6 nm

    I am very reluctant to take statins or any medication for that matter. I cannot help but think that my numbers are due to another cause (IBS?) I appreciate any thoughts.


  135. Prem

    Hello Dr.
    I am 38 years with BMI appx 23, non-smoke, non-alcohol, vegetarian with moderate exercise from 3-5 days week and controlled diet for last 3-4 years but still my lipid numbers are not getting improved. Below are my details based on NMR test
    LDL-P 1395
    LDL-C 102
    HDl-C. 32
    Triglyc. 183
    Choles Total 171
    HDL-P 21.4
    Small LDL-p 1063
    LDL size. 19.9

    LP-IR. 74

    While lipid PAnel on same blood work shows different values given below
    Cholesterol total 176
    Triglyecerides 177
    HDL cholesterol 29
    LDL cholesterol. 112

    Please suggest your opinion
    Thank you

  136. david venables

    I took simvastatin for seven short months, 20 mg. I stopped when my lower legs utterly locked up in bed one night. I now have what appears to be a lifetime neuromuscular disease. STATINS CAN HAVE HORRID ADVERSE EFFECTS. Here are some good predictors of who will get their lives destroyed, as I have:

    High HDLs, high LDLs, BUT great ratio (mine was under 3)
    Low triglycerides, high HDL’s, great ratio (mine was under .7)
    Physically very active.
    Older (I was 68 and had just returned from trekking in the Himalayan foothills.)

    One aspect of the massive statin drugging of our population is who might benefit. But that’s only half the story.
    The other, and massively ignored aspect, is who will have their health destroyed: constant burning pain, muscle fasciculations, shocking atrophy, inability to walk or stand for more than 15-20 minutes. In spite of the fact that one of our nation’s astronauts and flight surgeons was trashed by statins, prescribing doctors deny these adverse effects and refuse to report occurrences.
    In my case, when I asked, before taking statins, about LDL-P and Apo B, I was told “the science isn’t there yet”. Two separate doctors said the following exact words, “Some people think statins should be in the water supply. Statins are the reason Americans live longer now.” I got an incredibly hard sell on statins. It doesn’t matter to me at this point that the doctors who were selling were also on the drug themselves. The possible adverse effects are horrendous, and although they didn’t get them, I and thousands of others did. I haven’t read of anyone who’s recovered after a year or two, which is where I now am.

  137. dan

    I am 61 my hdl is 36 and ldl is 55 is this ok and can you get your ldl to low? Triglycerides is 110

  138. Catherine Powers

    Hi Doc!

    I’m 60 years old and overweight. I work out a lot, about 5-6 days/week, but it’s difficult to lose (40 lbs) because I have degenerative disc disease. I eat a very healthy diet that is grain-free, gluten-free, and refined sugar-free. (I have Celiac disease.) I’ve been on Lipitor 20mg for a year because my total cholesterol was 234 on Simvastatin, and I have a strong family history of cardiovascular disease. My only remaining sibling had a “widow maker”, survived, and has a pacemaker in his chest (at 64 years old).

    I’ve been reading a lot about “the myth of cholesterol”, and I decided to get a Boston Heart particle test. My results are the following:

    Total Cholesterol: 205
    Direct LDL-C: 113
    HDL-C: 78
    Triglycerides: 94
    ApoB: 96
    LDL-p5: 1288
    sdLDL-C1: 31
    %sdLDL-C: 27
    Lp(a): 120
    hs-CRP: 6.7
    ApoA-1 a-4: 19.2
    Fasting glucose: 136 (on prednisone)
    HbA1c: 5.3

    I understand this is mixed results. The report says the HDL map is “Optimal”, but I realize the hs-CRP and LDL small particle are not good.

    This report was ordered by my family physician, but I’m wondering if I need to get a cardiologist to review this? Not clear if Lipitor helps with small particle LDL?

    Thanks for any feedback,

  139. Catherine Powers

    Also, I read that eating eggs helps lower small particle LDL. Is that true? I’m working on figuring out this diet. And, thanks very much!

  140. Axel F Sigurdsson

    Hi Catherine.
    You seem to have adopted to a healthy diet and healthy lifestyle in general. However, your numbers, LDL-C and hs-CRP in particular may indicate that there is some residual risk. I would probably not worry to much about particle size in your case, apoB and LDL-P is not bad, suggesting that particle number is not the biggest problem. I suggest you continue with what you are doing in terms of lifestyle. Considering your thoughts on eggs I think they’re fine, nutritious and don’t affect blood lipids badly in most cases. An option in your case of course would be to raise the dose of Lipitor to 40 mg daily. You could discuss that with your doctor.

  141. Axel F Sigurdsson

    Dan. Your LDL cholesterol is fine, no reason to believe it’s too low. TG are relatively high and HDL-C a bit too low maybe. TG/HDL-C ratio a bit high. This pattern is sometimes associated with insulin resistance and abdominal obesity.

  142. Newton

    Dear doctor,

    I’m male 23 years old, 5″5 height and 68kg weight, actively work out 3-4 times a week.
    My test result as below:
    Total Cholesterol: 304
    Triglycerides: 68
    LDL-C: 206
    HDL-C. 84

    What do you think of my result? I find it’s really weird considering I’m still young and active but my LDL so high. Do you have any suggestion for me, doc? I want to check my LDL-P and HDL-P but right now the lab doesn’t provide that.

    Thank you.

  143. Axel F Sigurdsson

    Your high LDL cholesterol is probably an inherited trait. If there is family history of high LDL-cholesterol or premature cardiovascular disease it might be important to react. You should discuss it with your family doctor.

  144. Whoa! Watch out for your family doctor: “high” LDLs almost always result in a statin recommendation. Your ratio of triglycerides over HDL is phenomenally good: this statistically correlates with lower LDL-P (get an Apo B test and see). Especially if you work out hard, your LDLs are likely “large fluffy good” LDLs. If your doc talks about inflammation, ask if there’s a test to determine if you have inflammation (yes, there is). I asked all these questions, and my ignorant cardiologist told me that “the science isn’t there yet”, and hard-sold me on a low-dose of simvastatin. I took it for six months, collapsed, and now have a debilitating neuromuscular disease, apparently for life.
    Except for the fact that I’m much older, our data is very similar. When my LDLs got reduced, there were horrifying results. Want photos? reginaofthesun@yahoo.com.
    PS In an experiment with older men, weight bearing exercise was prescribed. A surprising effect that no one was looking for: their LDLs went up. What would a neutral (not brainwashed by pharmaceutical advertising and promotion) mind conjecture?

  145. Axel F Sigurdsson

    You should definitely tell us about your experience with statin drugs here.
    Thanks for commenting by the way.

  146. Catherine Powers


    Thanks so much! I’ll speak with my doc and also lower cholesterol foods. Getting f/u testing in 3 months. Thanks for your time and excellent articles!

  147. Newton

    Dear doc,

    No one in my family have high cholesterol except me, that’s why I’m so afraid. I wanted to test apo-A apo-B, and LDL-P, but I’m not sure if this test available in my country, may I know the name of the test method in case they don’t understand. Thank you for your advice.

  148. Axel F Sigurdsson


    The NMR Lipoprofile test which is used to assess LDL-P among other thins is available in the USA. It may be hard to get this test in other countries. Apo-A and Apo-B however should be available in many countries around the world.

    In fact, it’s very positive if there is is no history of heart attacks or other cardiovascular disorders at young age in your family. That may indicate that your elevated LDL cholesterol is not harmful. It may also indicate that you should be able to lower it yourself by dietary measures and lifestyle.

  149. joy

    The world is in a Panic on cholesterol….read info on the Cholesterol Myth and read up on homocysteine levels and heart disease….. Weston Price Foundation is one GOOD group of health advocates…check their info.

  150. Reggie Blackwell

    Dear Doctor,

    I’ve been having blood tests done for two years trying to get a hold of my numbers. It seems that one number I have yet to change is my LDL-P. It has increased each time I’ve gotten blood work (1791, 1930, 2210, and 2439).
    The last two being 3 months between tests. I managed to decrease every other number on my blood panel during the last 2 months as seen below. During the 3 months I went on a low carb diet and dropped 20 lbs. My height is 5’9 went from 195 lbs. to 175 lbs. (32 years old). I would say I am practically in the best shape of my life and exercise around 10 times a week which includes weight training and various cardio.

    Total Cholesterol: 251 to 228
    LDL-C: 159 to 143
    HDL: 55
    TG: 227 to 158
    HDL-P: 32 to 40
    A1C: 7.1 to 6

    I am aware and have been told I do have insulin resistance.

    I do have cause for concern as my LDL-P continues to rise no matter what lifestyle changes I make. I really don’t want to get on a Statins but fear from not being around for the long haul. As far as I am aware of no family history of heart disease. Just curious to know your thoughts.

  151. Shannon

    Hi Doc! I was so glad to find your site. Really hoping you can give me your opinion. I saw a new doc who scared the living daylights out of me. “Your numbers are really, really bad. It’s scary. If you don’t get on a statin right away, you could have a heart attack anytime! You have no choice” Yet, everything I read about statins seems so scary… and from what I’m finding out, they don’t even decrease LDL-p, which is the number she was focused on, so what’s the point?

    I am 43, 5’8″, about 40 lbs overweight, BP 110/70, EKG was great, glucose 93, do not smoke, no meds, moderate exercise 4 times a week, enjoy beer periodically. I believe my maternal grandfather died from heart disease at about 80 years old… other than that, no heart disease in the family and grandparents on both sides live into late 80s/early 90s. I eat healthy, natural food but have problem with amounts.

    I am taking the doc’s advice and stictly following the diet she gave me. It’s low-carb, focuses heavily on fruits/veggies and lean meats, relatively low-fat, and instructs me to eat 5 small meals a day. I also thought I would start taking baby aspirin as instructed. That can’t hurt, right? Also, I will get at least 30 mins of exercise every day.

    Am I doing myself a disservice if I take 6 months to try to lose 40 lbs before I start the statin? I am quite determined, but not sure if diet can cause the LDL-p to go down. And I don’t want to drop dead tomorrow! I know your opinion is just that and that it’s hard to give advice over the internet.

    Thanks for helping so many people. There is so much conflicting information out there and really hard to know what to do.

    LDL-P 2185
    LDL-C 156
    HDL-C 45
    Tri 126
    Total 226
    HDL-P 29.9
    Small LDL-P 1439
    LDL size 20.1
    Large VLDL-P 2.2
    Large HDL-P <1.3
    VLDL Size 42.9
    LDL Size 20.1
    HDL Size 8.3
    LP IR Score 62

  152. Where did you get all those tests done, and who ordered them? You’re lucky to have all that information as a starting point. Thank you, David

  153. Shannon

    Hi David Venables… not sure if you’re asking me or a previous poster. I started seeing a new General Practitioner and she regularly has all of these tests done for all patients. Ask for a ‘Lipoprotein Particle Profile (LPP) test’ and you should get all the numbers you need. She also did an EKG on my initial visit in order to have a baseline for future yearly EKGs.

  154. What country are you in? I asked for these tests BEFORE taking simvastatin, and was told that “the science isn’t there yet.” This was from a US doctor at the Cardiology Associates of New Haven–right in Yale University’s home town. Pretty sad commentary on US medical care in general.

  155. Shannon

    I’m in the US, howfussiner… NC.

  156. david Venables

    Thank you. My cardiologist in New Haven, when I asked about the tests you have, told me “The science isn’t there yet.” If he’d given me the tests you had, I wouldn’t have taken statins and I’d have the use of my legs today. For some people statins are a true horror drug.

  157. Dana

    I am a 30 year old female 5’5 130lbs. Do Crossfit 3 times a week as well as take Omega fish oil and flax seed oil supplements. I was told I may possibly need to go on a statin which I am not particularly fond of doing. My question is I’m trying to find the right diet that would possibly help with my numbers, but I’m confused about which would be best since I don’t think insulin resistance is a huge factor . Low Carb, paleo, more whole wheats? Here are my numbers LDL-P 1444, LDL-C 123, HDL-C 72, Triglycerides 57, Total Cholesterol 206, HDL-P Total 33.9, Small LDL-P 132, and LDL Size 21.5, My LP-IR Score was 8. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :)

  158. Catherine Powers

    Dear Doc,

    I posted my numbers here short while ago, and you gave some good advice re: talking to my doctor about increasing my Lipitor. However, I just got the bill for the Boston particle test, and it is $2600! I had no idea! I have an excellent insurance policy, but the policy does not cover it, and I didn’t know the expense of the test when my doctor ordered it. Do you know if there is a less expensive way to get a follow up in 3 to 6 months? I live in the United States. And thank you.

  159. Axel F Sigurdsson

    @ Catherine
    I think LipoScience does most of the testing in the U.S. It doesn’t really matter where the blood is drawn. I believe you should be able to get particle testing for much less money. Of course the cost will depend on which analysis are performed.

  160. Axel F Sigurdsson

    @ Dana.
    These numbers don’t indicate insulin resistance. You’re not overweight either. In my opinion there’s no reason for you to restrict carbs although I think you should avoid refined sugars. Don´t be afraid of fats either but saturated fats are more likely to raise your LDL-cholesterol than mono- or polyunsaturated fats. I would look at a Mediterranean type diet in your case. Eat lots of fruit and vegetables, use olive oil (it´s rich in calories which you may need), eat fish, white meat and I don’t think you need to avoid whole grains.

  161. Catherine Powers

    Thanks! Which are the most important to get redrawn after an extensive analysis a month ago?

  162. joy

    I don’t see a NEED for statins except for the medical industry’s pockets….do a lot of research and check out Weston Price Foundation site…..

    My integrative MD has been checking my homocysteine levels the last few years, I am 75 thou and Would NEVER take a statin….. My homo levels have elevated and I’m taking supps to bring them down…..including DHA Max Omega 3′s and homocysteine formula and extra folate….

    Personally, I choose to cut out all breads in my home, work with greens to make a sandwich type meal, beautiful organic romaine lettuce….

  163. Shannon

    Hi Doc. I sent the following message and have watched for any advice, but didn’t see a reply. I know you can only answer so many but hoping you’ll get to me… :) Since sending my last message three weeks ago, I’ve been doing low carb and not being concerned with fat. I’ve lost 11 pounds! Thanks!

    Hi Doc! I was so glad to find your site. Really hoping you can give me your opinion. I saw a new doc who scared the living daylights out of me. “Your numbers are really, really bad. It’s scary. If you don’t get on a statin right away, you could have a heart attack anytime! You have no choice” Yet, everything I read about statins seems so scary… and from what I’m finding out, they don’t even decrease LDL-p, which is the number she was focused on, so what’s the point?

    I am 43, 5’8″, about 40 lbs overweight, BP 110/70, EKG was great, glucose 93, do not smoke, no meds, moderate exercise 4 times a week, enjoy beer periodically. I believe my maternal grandfather died from heart disease at about 80 years old… other than that, no heart disease in the family and grandparents on both sides live into late 80s/early 90s. I eat healthy, natural food but have problem with amounts.

    I am taking the doc’s advice and stictly following the diet she gave me. It’s low-carb, focuses heavily on fruits/veggies and lean meats, relatively low-fat, and instructs me to eat 5 small meals a day. I also thought I would start taking baby aspirin as instructed. That can’t hurt, right? Also, I will get at least 30 mins of exercise every day.

    Am I doing myself a disservice if I take 6 months to try to lose 40 lbs before I start the statin? I am quite determined, but not sure if diet can cause the LDL-p to go down. And I don’t want to drop dead tomorrow! I know your opinion is just that and that it’s hard to give advice over the internet.

    Thanks for helping so many people. There is so much conflicting information out there and really hard to know what to do.

    LDL-P 2185
    LDL-C 156
    HDL-C 45
    Tri 126
    Total 226
    HDL-P 29.9
    Small LDL-P 1439
    LDL size 20.1
    Large VLDL-P 2.2
    Large HDL-P <1.3
    VLDL Size 42.9
    LDL Size 20.1
    HDL Size 8.3
    LP IR Score 62

  164. Axel F Sigurdsson

    @ Shannon

    Sorry for responding so late. For a woman your age who’s a non smoker and doesn’t have a sibling or a parent with a history of cardiovascular disease, the risk of having a heart attack in the next 7-10 years is very low. Although I don’t believe there’s a reason to be afraid of statins, I don’t believe they should be first option in your case. I think you’re doing the right thing by trying to lose weight. That’ll improve your triglycerides (TG) and the TG/HDL-C ratio. Hopefully your LDL-C will improve as well on the current diet.

    So I would continue with what you’re doing and have a lipid new lipid profile in 6 months.

  165. Axel F Sigurdsson


    It’s quite obvious to me that you’ve improved your health a lot by losing weight on the current diet. Many of your lipid numbers have improved as well and so has HbA1C suggesting less insulin resistance.

    I understand it’s disappointing that LDL-P hasn’t dropped. However, it’s important to look at the whole picture and not just one number. Maybe if you give it more time, triglyceride might drop further and eventually LDL-P might follow.

    If you eat much saturated fat, you might get LDL-P to go down by choosing other types of fat instead, olive oil instead of butter etc.

  166. HDL-C 72, Triglycerides 57??? Don’t even dream of taking a statin! Your tri/hdl ratio is fantastic. Mine was too, and I was as active as you are. Now I can’t walk more than 15 minutes tops. I have a statin-triggered neuromuscular disease. Statins are massively over-prescirbed out of GREED! NOTE WELL: I TOOK 20 MG SIMVSTATIN FOR ONLY SIX MONTHS. IRREPARABLE DAMAGE. PERMANENT, PAINFUL ILLNESS.

  167. RB

    Thanks for chiming in David. When I saw those numbers I thought “What crazy quack is recommending statins to that person?” Even for those of us with ratios not quite so good, it should be a long, sober, cautious decision to inflict statins on our bodies just because the BIG drug pushers have deemed it “prudent”.

  168. Has anyone here had any success in treatment for a statin-induced neuromuscular disease??????

  169. RB

    I don’t know what part of the country you are in, but have you tried to contact Dr. Barbara Roberts who wrote “The Truth about Statins”?

  170. david venables

    Yes, she’s great. I own her book and have bought a number of copies for friends. BUT the adverse effect issue isn’t in the area of expertise of a cardiologist. Thanks. I’m in US.

  171. Anthony

    Hi Doc, I recently lost 44 lbs so far basically following a Paleo diet (From 2/11/14 to 5/5/14) (47 y/o male) On 4/11/14 I had a blood draw to check cholesterol and asked doc to ck hs-crp (was unaware of particle# testing at time but I remember asking before if he checked particle size and he said he didn’t do that.) At the time of the blood draw, I had lost about 33 lbs. Results were LDL-C 148, HDL-C 35, Total 199, TG 80 and hs-CRP of 10.89. Needless to say the hs-CRP has freaked me out. The TG/HDL-C doesn’t seem bad 2.2 but again the inflammation as noted by the hs-CRP is a cause of concern. He said he’d retest me in couple of months and wanted to put me on a low dose statin (tried them in the past and I remember having some issues) I declined and said I’d try nature means first. I asked about a low dose aspirin, he said OK but I haven’t tried that yet. I am trying walking more, 1-2 glases of red wine per day, dark choc., tumeric. (all new and doing now after blood draw) Also taking fish oil, vit D3, COQ-10 and some other vitamins but those I was taking before the blood draw too.
    Question, I’ve read that cholesterol readings while losing weight could be erratic and should be done after weight stabalizes. Could that also effect the CRP level? Would the new things (walking, red wine, choc, tumeric) help lower CRP level? What is the upstream source of the inflammation and how do I eliminate that? I think I will ask for the particle # next time to have a better picture. I would appreciate any input. Thanks,

  172. Anthony

    Oh, forgot to add that prior to blood draw, had been eating whole eggs (6 to 12 per week), bacon and some hard provolone cheese every now and then thinking that by eliminating grains it wouldn’t be an issue. Since the hs-CRP results, I have curtailed the eggs (only whites), no bacon and very little cheese. Not as happy but hopefully my numbers will improve. Thanks in advance for you reply.

  173. Axel F Sigurdsson

    @ Anthony
    Weight loss usually lowers biomarkers of inflammation such as hsCRP. I believe your right regarding the lipids. I would test them again in a more stable situation. Maybe you will end up being recommended statins, but in my opinion there’s no rush. Have a look at this article regarding diet and inflammation.

  174. wendy

    I want to help my husband. He recently had a heart attack, age 55. Almost completely blocked “widow maker” artery, and 50% blocked circumflex artery. He has always had high blood pressure, and a family history of high cholesterol. Nobody ever spoke of the breakdown of the cholesterol numbers…just that it was “high.”
    I told him to eliminate carbs (I’ve been doing low carb, high fat) but he is starving. So I thought we’d add back in some gluten free, whole grains. He is nervous about fat.
    What is an NMR and a heart scan?
    What do we do now that we know he has arteriosclerosis?? He is on the standard meds: statin, beta blocker, blood thinner, etc.
    This has been devastating.
    Thank you.

  175. Axel F Sigurdsson

    Hi Wendy. Sorry to hear about your husband. I don’t think an NMR is a key issue here and neither is a calcium score. He’s already had a coronary angiography and coronary artery disease has been confirmed. I definitely think he should be on statins. Regarding diet I don’t believe whole grains should be regarded as problematic and I wouldn’t recommend a strict low carb diet unless he has to lose weight. A Mediterranean type diet is probably a good option.

  176. Wendy, I’m also sorry to hear about your husband’s present health. Regarding diet, humans don’t require carbohydrates at all. Because grains have changed so much throughout the 10,000 years or so that humans have produced food, I don’t eat them. Grains today are human-created products, and in the format we eat most of them, their glycemic index is often quite high. In a “low carb” diet, one gets plenty of calories. For example, today I ate an omelette of salmon, spinach, two eggs–cooked in palm oil. It isn’t “bulky” food, but I won’t get hungry for six hours or so. There is no carbohydrate hunger bounce-back: no toast, no orange juice=long time not hungry. Missing carbohydrates is another thing, and that can be a balance, I suppose. For health reasons (statin-triggered neuromuscular disease), I’ve been on a low-carb (Paleo, I suppose) diet for a couple of years. Before statin damage (be careful with any statin drug!!!), I hiked and exercised about 10 hours a week: a love of the outdoors, not a health obsession. For two years, I’ve been unable to walk. On the low carb diet I didn’t gain (or lose) a pound; my significant blood measurements (triglycerides, HDL) stayed outstanding. I wouldn’t call my diet “strict” at all. I love the food I eat. David

  177. Catherine Powers

    I’m assuming you eat plenty of carbohydrates in the form of vegetables and some fruit?

  178. I do eat vegetables, but from what I’ve read (examples from people living with the Red Inuits on salmon and caribou meat–extremely healthy as long as the animals had enough fat on them) humans only require protein and fat. There is no need at all for carbohydrates. But one’s diet is certainly nicer, and subjectively I feel (but don’t know) healthier with vegetables. I eat fruit as well, often mixed in with kefir or yogurt. To me, glycemic index is the name of the health game, so I don’t usually eat sweet fruit on an empty stomach.
    Oversimplistic, but pretty much do the opposite of what the American Heart Association guidelines recommend. Good read from a cardiologist who stays up on her science: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/22/the-heart-association-s-junk-science-diet.html#

  179. Catherine Powers

    Given the fiber and nutrients, vegetables are important

  180. Catherine Powers

    And, Esselstyn is showing some interesting results for patients with clogged coronary arteries who he places on strictly plant-based diets

  181. Esselstyn diet would certainly be better than eating any factory food in the USA, and probably most of the world at this point. Farm-raised salmon is usually (always?) a nightmare food; wild caught Alaskan salmon is a superfood. A well-sprayed strawberry is poison; a “clean” strawberry, a superfood. Big Food/Big Pharma: nasty, nasty business all around.
    I’ve chosen simply to eat what I’m 99% sure is good for me. Actually, I don’t even think about being on a “strict” diet…unless someone is trying to stuff some birthday cake or something in my mouth. (Yes, it’s only once a year–for each person I know: lots of cake.)
    I’d chosen to stay off drugs, but to my profound and lifetime regret, I got simvastatin pushed (and I do mean pushed) on me by my PCP and my cardiologist. Almost instantaneous, lifetime, painful, debilitating damage. You can’t imagine–though I could show photographs. And I personally know two other people with a similar statin-triggered disease. And through websites, I know hundreds more.
    I’ve yet to hear of one of these cases reported by the prescribing doctor.

  182. Catherine Powers

    Yes I’m sorry to hear that! And, I do understand because I am a nurse. There are risks in taking any medication and unfortunately some people get serious side effects. Personally, I have to eat gluten-free and dairy free, and I choose to eat grain-free. I also eat free of refined sugars. Luckily I don’t have a sweet tooth!

  183. I would call them “adverse effects”, not “side effects”. Regarding the massively over-prescribed statin drugs, I’d call them the only effects–unless one has already had a cardiovascular event there is no demonstrated benefit. Adverse effects are vastly under-reported. I was extremely fit for my age, but statins triggered a debilitating neuromuscular disease in just 6 months: unreported. I personally know two other unreported cases–one being a doctor in the group that prescribed statins to me. His colleagues deny the cause in his case as well–though all three of us had the same immediate symptoms from statins (no, not the mild muscle weakness my doctor said would be what to watch out for); and all of us now have permanent disease. All three of us were very active physically.
    Because my life has changed so fast and so profoundly, people ask me why I’m not hiking now, why I’m not swimming, not doing tai chi. When I mention statin drugs, the stories flow. 1/4 of Americans over 40 are on statins, and it’s rare that I hear of someone with no “side” effects at all. I shudder to think what will happen to the 7-year-old child whose mother told me he’d just been put on statins for “high” LDL-C. David

  184. cam

    I am a very healthy 49 year old who has worked out for many years 6 days a week. I eat very healthy. Lots of vegetables and lean protein and very little fat. I just got my cholesterol levels and they were very high. 153 LDL and 88 HDL. Total cholesterol was 260. I started taking Apple Cider Vinegar because I heard it helps with cholesterol. Any thoughts?

  185. DANGER!!!!!!

    Not to worry! The new “expert” guidelines have raised the level of LDL before statin prescription is indicated. Before was ideally under 100; now prescribe for over 190. As a well know cardiologist from Cleveland Clinic said, “They’re making up these numbers out of the air.”

    This LDL nonsense is all about money. Look at LDL-P, not LDL-C, which is what you’re being given. Look at triglycerides/HDL (mine was 7/10).

    LDL is a nonsense number, putting the maximum number of people on statins as possible. $30 billion dollar drug.

    Your numbers are incredibly outstanding! Great ratio! I was 69 when my numbers were pretty much the same, also very athletic, trekking in the Annapurna foothills in Nepal. Six months on simvastatin and I’m pretty much permanently disabled and in constant pain. You are a prime candidate for a nightmare change in your life.

    If you dream of taking a statin drug, contact me first! David

  186. Tim

    Looks like I’m living on borrowed time. I’m a month away from 49 and my brother just died of a heart attack/cardiac arrest at 62. Just went to the doc to check my blood, and the numbers are not good -
    Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy – 22.4 Range: 30.0-100.0 – ng/mL Flag: L
    Glucose, Serum – 106 Range: 65-99 – mg/dL Flag: H
    Small LDL-P – 1932 Range: 20.5 – nm Flag: L
    LP-IR Score – 78 Range: = 30.5 – umol/L Flag: L
    LDL-C – NOTES: Range: <100 – mg/dL
    Cholesterol, Total – 266 Range: =40 – mg/dL Flag: L
    LDL-P – 2672 Range: <1000 – nmol/L Flag: H
    Triglycerides – 434 Range: <150 – mg/dL Flag: H

    My doc is going to call something in but don't know what just yet. Based on what I have read above, I need to take Vitamin D, exercise, eliminate carbs. Any other advise would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

  187. Catherine Powers

    Aside from eliminating unnecessary harmful carbs like refined sugar and wheat and other things that turn to sugar immediately, I would suggest focusing on all the anti-inflammatory foods. Like vegetables, blueberries and turmeric especially. A friend of mine had an angiogram couple of months ago that was particularly bad and he had several stents put in. His triglycerides were high and his doctor declined to do more extensive blood test. I talked to him about an anti-inflammatory diet that I am on, and he decided to go with that. This week he had another angiogram, and his doctor said he didn’t know why his vessels looked better. I’m not sure how two months without sugar, unnecessary carbs and adding anti-inflammatory foods could have such a result, but it appears to have done just that. He also has very little dairy. And all wild caught fish and grass fed beef, When he eats that. I think he is on a low dose of Crestor, and that did not change. The only thing that changed was diet. Don’t give up! There really are things that you can do to decrease the inflammation in your vessels and to improve your life!

  188. Axel F Sigurdsson

    Tim. I agree with you a-on vitamin D and healthy diet choices. Avoiding sugar and refined carbs is important. It’s also important to look at the whole risk profile. Getting rid of risk factors such as smoking and high blood pressure is a key issue. With such a strong family history and high LDL-P (LDL-C is probably high as well) your doctor will want to discuss statin therapy. Studies have shown that statins reduce the risk of cardiovascular events among those at high risk.

  189. david

    Yet researchers at Texas A&M university found that higher LDL levels predicted greater gains in muscle mass in a strength training study involving 60 to 69-year-old males.

    Yes, and researchers somewhere else (was it MIT?), while testing weight bearing exercise for older men, found a surprise side effect: their LDLs went up.
    It seems reasonable to guess that this was large fluffy LDL, not dense BB-like.

    BUT let’s not anyone know this! It will interfere with Big Pharma’s $30 billion dollar a year statin industry.

  190. david

    “With such a strong family history and high LDL-P (LDL-C is probably high as well) your doctor will want to discuss statin therapy. Studies have shown that statins reduce the risk of cardiovascular events among those at high risk.”

    It would be great if your doctor wanted to “discuss” startin therapy, but it’s more likely that you doctor will want to jam statins down your throat, no discussion involved.

    Dr Sigurdsson, what “Studies have shown that statins reduce the risk of cardiovascular events among those at high risk?” The first question is whether the studies were funded by Big Pharma: that gives them 500% greater probability of producing drugs that sell statins. Secondly, who defined “high risk”. Thirdly, did the studies produce relative risk reduction or absolute? A 30% relative reduction could be going from 3 in a million to 2 in a million: it could be pretty much anything. But what it always is is a sales tool for statin drugs.

    Everything I’ve read indicates that statins may reduce risk for those who’ve already had a cardiovascular event. But no on else.

    CAUTION!!!!! In this contest, we need to keep in mind that the “side” effects of statins, many or most unreported, can be devastating. If I could attach a couple of photos, I could show you how horrid the PERMANENT adverse effects can be. Six months on simvastatin (in my case unneeded, as my more up-to-date cardiologist said, “You were in outstanding health before this drug. We see this all the time.”)

    Bottom line: there may or may not be benefits. For absolutely certain, probably depending on genetic predisposition, there is a possibility of horrific neuromuscular disease. Constant pain, inability to walk, and…. Well, contact reginaofthesun@yahoo.com if you want to know more.


  191. Axel F Sigurdsson

    David. There is evidence supporting that statins reduce the risk of cardiovascular events in primary prevention. However, I agree that possible benefits can be outweighed by possible harm. Therefore, the decision to treat or not to treat is not always easy. I believe in informed decision making allowing the patient to have his/her say.

    Although I think that the adverse effects of statins are more common than the clinical studies indicate, it has to be remembered that most individuals tolerate statin drugs very well. On the other hand, that’s not an excuse for over-treating. I know for certain that there are many individuals out there taking statins who will probably benefit very little, maybe nothing from treatment. However there are also individuals who may benefit from statins who are not receiving treatment.

    I’m really sorry to hear about the terrible adverse effects you’ve experienced. Thanks for sharing your experience. We all need to learn.

  192. Miguel Jorge

    I am taking Atorvastatin after I asked my cardiologist to switch me from Simvastatin. My numbers are great and I have no side effects. I will not consider stopping this treatment. Be careful of the advise you get from non professionals!

  193. david

    Many people in the medical profession seem to disagree concerning the usefulness of statins in primary prevention. A number also disagree regarding tolerating statins “very well”. I believe that it was an MIT study that concluded an inevitable trade-off between vascular health and skeletal muscle health.

    Regarding terrible adverse effects, I’m not sure how aware you are that these are not rare–but they are very rarely REPORTED.

    As a matter of fact, one of the doctors in the cardiological group that prescribed simvastatin to me also got seemingly permanent, hugely disabling neuromuscular adverse effects. His colleagues do not accept that this was caused by the statin.Looking at Dollars for Doctors on Propublica, one can see that Merck and Pfizer gave very large amounts of money (for research, speaking engagements, etc) to doctors in this practice: I’m not saying the doctors were corrupt, but they were certainly influenced. This is so commonly the case that it’s odd to find an exception. Commissioned pharmaceutical sales reps descend on doctors’ offices like flies–often, ironically, bearing gifts of junk food.

    May I ask a very direct question? Have you ever heard before of anyone else who got massive, life-changing, painful neuromuscular adverse effects from a statin? There are a lot of us! Some of us are physicians. Some, like me, got permanently finished off by a statin drug in just six months or so. None of us received an accurate description of what the early signs were that this was happening–and yet the details of the onsets are remarkably alike.

    You are infinitely more informed than the cardiologist I went to. And in addition you seem like a very kind person. I could send you a photo or two and a short video of the shocking things that statins did to my legs. Meantime, as prescribing doctors say to me, “Well you are getting old,” my upper body is amazingly strong for my age (ah, alas, my legs used to be much stronger, but no more).

  194. Catherine Powers

    With every single medication, the risk-benefit ratio has to be considered by the patient and the doctor. When a patient takes statins, I believe it’s their responsibility to know what that risk- benefit ratio is for themselves. Clearly, the doctors need to explain it, as well. Being on statins without adverse effects, I understand this issue. As I’ve mentioned before, I’m also a nurse who worked in cardiology for a period of time. It would seem to me that the people who do develop the adverse effects would be upset, however, surely if they’re educated consumers, they knew that possibility going in.

  195. david

    And be at least as careful of advice you get from professionals.

    My prescribing PCP, and also the prescribing cardiologist, both said to me, “Some people think statins should be in the water supply.” Believe me, that’s a vast and ignorant dismissal of the potential downsides of statins–no matter the possible upsides.

    More to your point: The next group of cardiologists I saw said, “Some doctors are 15 years behind the science. You were in outstanding cardiovascular health.” The a doctor put his hand on my shoulder and said, “David, sh**t happens. I’m really sorry that it happened to you.”

  196. Catherine Powers

    Are we going to hear about your issues every time this subject is discussed by the doctor?

  197. Mark Holmes

    I think it is important that David has his say. I don’t find him to be nasty. I like to hear both sides of the issue. I’ve had the same comments from physicians that David has heard. I can understand, considering what he has gone through, that he would be a bit adamant about getting his point across. What concerns me is the point David made – how many of these side effects go unreported? If it were me, I certainly try every other method (diet,exercise) before I resorted to statins. I understand that might not be enough for everyone and some might decide to take statins. It’s a very hard call. I have RA and take Enbrel – it took me a long before before I relented and got on that bandwagon. The list of side effects is impressive.

    I also am concerned that they are passed out (or so it would seem) like candy. 50 years ago – did we have all these heart attacks from eating high fat, unnprocessed foods? I don’t think so.

  198. Catherine Powers

    My point is that while most people would certainly be empathic to David and his unfortunate position, those of us who are reading this regularly already have been told repeatedly about David’s issues. He brings it up regularly as if we don’t already know this. Once you make your point, I don’t think it’s necessary for the entire group to have to hear the same point over and over again. People who take medications need to take some responsibility for the risk they’re taking when they take the medications.

  199. Mark Holmes

    True. However, I do read everything about the drug I’m taking so in that fashion , I do try to take responsibility. That said, I’m not a medical professional, so I tend to defer to the physician and hope that he has evaluated me as a whole person and is not looking at me as simply one symptom. My experience has not been real positive in that regard. Not true of every physician but true of more than I like to see. I do try hard to let them know the big picture – a lot of it comes down to how good a listener are they.

  200. Catherine Powers

    If your Dr does not consider your entire health in these decisions and does not listen to you carefully about your concerns, I would think you would need a different doctor or at the very least, a second opinion. I spend a lot of time reading extensively about diet, medications, and any factors I can find that would impact my decisions. We cannot blindly trust doctors, lawyers, or anybody. In fact, one of the most disappointing things about the field of medicine is that the typical doctor knows next to nothing about nutrition. No physician ever recommended an anti-inflammatory diet for me, but it is exactly that diet that put and end to crippling pain from degenerative disc disease.

  201. david

    Catherine, I questioned the need for statins in my case. In fact, thankfully thankfully, I resisted the prescription for four years. Trips to all over southeast Asia, even trekking in the Himalayan foothills for weeks, eight-hour days up and down–never out of breath (muscles tired though). I was healthy. In fact, I fit the pattern of many people I know who got crushed by statins.

    I questioned the need, but it’s very hard to learn about the adverse effects. Remember, my cardiologist said that “Statins are the reason Americans live longer now.” And some people say statins should be in the water supply.”

    What you might want to do as a medical professional is find some research article that says statins safe and valuable as primary prevention, with one caveat: the pharmaceutical industry isn’t involved, none of the researchers have ties to the pharmaceutical industry of any kind.

    How can I research adverse effects when they’re not reported? And why aren’t they reported? As yet another doctor said to me, “Reporting adverse effects is made so onerous that doctors simply don’t do it.” One of my biggest frustrations is that my own case isn’t reported. Instead I’ve gotten smarmy statements such as “Correlation isn’t causation.” Duh. But if correlations are reported, then no one will ever looking into causality. And this of us utterly trashed by statins will have no hope.

    The neuromuscular specialist I wound up having to see said, “Statins can trigger a disease that you wouldn’t have gotten for 30 years.” My shoulder doctor said, “I see statin damage all the time. It gets me angry.” It’s the prescribing doctors who hang on to their own version of reality.

    There is huge controversy around the damaging effect of statins–right now. ABC airs a two-part program in Australia, but the second part gets pulled: in spite of all cautions to the contrary, some people might stop their statin drug. An article appears in BMJ cautioning about adverse effects from statins: immediately doctors with ties to the pharmaceutical industry attach the article.

    What I’m saying is simple: statins can, for some people, produce horrific adverse effects. They should definitely not be in the water supply.

  202. david

    Six months on statins. Two years off. Too late now: my health is trashed. I think I was as informed as I could have been.

  203. david

    To repeat: before simvastatin was pushed and pushed on me, I was in fantastic health. Great diet, lots of exercise.
    More people die in the US of prescribed drugs than from illegal drugs.

  204. Catherine Powers

    Yes, and what I’m saying is that you have stated this numerous times already. We who read this regularly know what happened to you and know about your hiking, etc. We do have access to the possible adverse effects, which have been known for many years. The information that serious adverse effects were possible were most likely available to you if you did the reading. The frequency of those adverse effects is a different story. And for me, continuing to feel victimized and seemingly angry about this does not help your cause much, In my opinion.

  205. david

    I’ve only replied to replies. Ignorance can be bliss, but not every time. I asked questions to my doctor, and he gave incorrect answers. Yes, I fired him and my new doctors are better informed: too late.

  206. Catherine Powers

    I would agree that the general public should be educated in high school about how to evaluate research results for themselves.

  207. david

    Yes, blame the victim.
    If you’ve read what I’ve written, then you know that cases like mine are not reported. You read about rhabdomyolysis and high CPK levels. But unless you go to sites like Spacedoc or SOS, you won’t read and don’t know about this.

  208. Catherine Powers

    You need to do more than ask questions of your doctors. You need to read the research results and perhaps other peoples’ testimonies before taking medication. You keep focusing on you asking your doctor, rather than reading information yourself.

  209. david

    Yes, such as things like this: what does 30% mean, do you think?

    DEAR READER: Statins are the most widely prescribed cholesterol-lowering drugs. They significantly lower levels of harmful LDL cholesterol in the body. And they’ve been shown to reduce death, heart attack and stroke risk by up to 30 percent in people at high risk.

    Although statins were developed with the goal of lowering LDL cholesterol, they turn out to have at least one other major benefit. They quiet the inflammation that is inside plaques of atherosclerosis in arteries of the heart, brain and other organs. That inflammation-fighting effect also protects against heart attacks and strokes. That’s the reason that recent authoritative guidelines recommend that people with, or at risk for, atherosclerosis take statins — regardless of their cholesterol levels.

    Most people tolerate statins without a problem, but statins can cause side effects, including muscle and joint aches. I spoke to my colleague Dr. Jorge Plutzky, director of the Vascular Disease Prevention Program at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women’s Hospital, about this problem. Here’s what he shared:

    Muscle and joint aches typically go away gradually as your body adjusts to a statin. If not, switching to a lower dose, a different statin, or an every-other-day medication schedule should help.

    Another option is to take an over-the-counter coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) supplement along with your statin. CoQ10 replaces an enzyme depleted by statins. Advocates say it relieves and prevents muscle pain. These benefits have not been proven in rigorous studies, but the supplement is unlikely to hurt you. And it may allow you to continue taking your statin.

    There’s another, far more serious, muscle-related side effect of statins that you may be concerned about. It’s called rhabdomyolysis, a breakdown of muscle tissue that leads to the release of muscle fiber contents into the bloodstream. The symptoms of rhabdomyolysis are severe, body-wide aching, severe muscle weakness and cola-colored urine. They leave little doubt that something is terribly wrong.

    Still, if you develop muscle aches with statin use, tell your doctor. A simple blood test can tell if your muscle is, in fact, breaking down. If not, your doctor will likely encourage you to remain on a statin because of its tremendous lifesaving potential.

    If you simply can’t tolerate statins, ask your doctor about non-statin cholesterol-lowering medications. I’ve put a table listing several cholesterol-lowering drugs, along with their benefits and side effects, on my website, AskDoctorK.com.

    Fortunately, I’ve never had a patient who developed the rare muscle problem that statins can cause. But I have had patients who developed mild muscle symptoms. By adjusting the dose, or switching to another statin drug, the symptoms have disappeared.

    And while I’ve enthusiastically spoken about the benefits that statins can have, please don’t misunderstand. Statins are not for everyone, and they’re not the only way that people with atherosclerosis, or who are at risk for atherosclerosis, can protect themselves. Regular exercise and a heart-healthy diet are equally powerful, and add to the benefits of statins.

    Dr. Komaroff is a physician and professor at Harvard Medical School. To send questions, go to AskDoctorK.com, or write: Ask Doctor K, 10 Shattuck St., Second Floor, Boston, MA 02115

  210. Catherine Powers

    Is not a matter of blaming a victim. It’s a matter of consumers and patients taking responsibility in their decision-making with all of the possible known ramifications. There will always be unknown ramifications because research will always be continuing.

  211. david

    No offense, but when you speak of “my cause”, may I ask what your cause might be?
    Or ask what you think my cause is?

  212. david

    I worked in an asbestos factory though college. The owners hired their own doctors, falsified and hid information, caused people to get direly sick and to die. My own good luck or genetic predisposition allowed me to escape unharmed. And those who died, didn’t die until years later. It makes a good story, and in fact became a book which was also serialized in The New Yorker Magazine.

    Almost all studies about statins have been financed by Big Pharma. Does one need to say more than that?

    Believe me, it’s not just statins. Do you believe that 11% of children in the US should be on amphetamine-like ADHD drugs? ADHD drugs are huge business, but statins are the “blockbuster” drug of all time.

  213. david

    “It’s a matter of consumers and patients taking responsibility in their decision-making with all of the possible known ramifications. There will always be unknown ramifications because research will always be continuing.”

    Gee, then we don’t need medical professionals at all!

    “Known ramifications”: known by whom. Did you, for example, know that J&J made a defective hip implant? An orthopedic surgeon I know called J&J and questioned them about problems with the device. J&J assured him that there were no problems. So the doctor installed the device in a friend of mine’s hip…but only after having the same implant on himself. They will be winning their litigation, I assume, after hours and hours of paperwork…and of course a second hip implant surgery. They might net $300,000 apiece. What a great deal!

    “Research will ….” Research paid for by whom?

  214. Catherine Powers

    No, it’s tiresome to pay attention to your repeated rants on the same issues. Those of us who are informed are very familiar with who is funding a large part of the research.

  215. Tim

    Thanks for the advice doc! I am eliminating sugar and sticking with low glycemic foods and starting to exercise. Having a stress test done tomorrow to see if any problems already exist. Will discuss statins with my doctor, I have taken them before but it has been a while.

  216. Russell

    I’ve been vegetarian for over 30 years, and probably as a result of eating so many so-called healthy whole grains, have become pre-diabetic. So, I’ve eliminated all carbs and now find that its hard to keep weight on. I’m thin and very fit (5’10”, 146 lbs, 58 y.o.), and have dropped my A1c to a nice 5.3, basically normal. But my LDL-C is stubbornly high (@120s) and soars to 180 whenever I try to add fish and low-fat cheeses. (I’m one of those people you referred to who can’t seem to handle cholesterol). To keep my weight up, my diet is about 30-40% fats from almonds, peanuts, and walnuts, which I eat prolifically, and some olive oil. In your view, are the saturated fats from these as harmful as an equal quantity of saturated fats from traditionally bad sources, such as dairy products? In other words, is 8 grams of saturated plant fats (found in four servings of peanuts) be similar to 8 grams of dairy fats?

    The tradeoff with fish is interesting, as I’m aware it lowers particle sizes, but it does also seem to raise LDL about 10%.

  217. @ Russell – You might find this link of interest -http://paleozonenutrition.com/2011/05/10/omega-6-and-3-in-nuts-oils-meat-and-fish-tools-to-get-it-right/ Personally, I eat macadamias due to their lower concentration of Omega 6 oils.

  218. Russell

    @cityboys — Thanks for this link, which is a really compelling argument to reduce Omega 6s. But where I am truly confused is that recent, real world studies show that higher nut consumption is inversely correlated with lower total and all-cause mortality (including CVD issues). I think something is missing in these theoretical arguments against the Omega 6s in nuts and seeds. Perhaps its the fiber or other phytochemicals in the nuts with cardioprotective benefits. See: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1307352

  219. david

    LDL-C is the crudest measurement for cardiovascular risk: but it sells statin drugs. LDL-P is much more meaningful. Or look at triglyceride/HDL ratio. Or other tests–available, but not profitable in terms of selling drugs. Triglycerides are more meaningful, but there isn’t a drug to lower them.
    One interesting observation regarding LDL-C. A study put older men on weight-bearing exercise. A unanticipated effect: LDL-C went up. That to me provides much food for thought regarding LDL. I don’t think weight-bearing exercise is bad; I think some LDL’s are actually very good.

  220. Russell

    @cityboys — You may also appreciate this from the Harvard Health newsletter about nuts. Regular nut intake may reduce sudden cardiac death by 47%, and from all cardiac causes by 30%. One of the studies was based on 2.2oz/day (without specifying which nuts), which is very high intake and suggestive that Omega 6s in nuts may be harmless (at least, that’s how I interpret it, though I’d love to hear Axel’s thoughts). The article points to increased arginine, which increases nitric oxide, which supports endothelial health:


  221. Jan

    Throughout my life, my LDL has always been high, my HDL has been high, my triglycerides low and my total cholesterol high. I do not smoke and I have a family history of CVD and heart disease (my sister had stroke at 45 and mother at 78). I was on statins (Crestor 20) for 5 years and stopped as I wasn’t feeling well on that medication.

    At my request, my family physician ordered the detailed LDL tests.

    Results are as follows:
    LDL-P = 1947
    LDL-C = 223
    HDL-C = 75
    Triglycerides = 133
    Total Cholesterol = 325
    HDL-P = 37.4
    Small LDL-P = 123
    LDL size = 22.0
    LP-IR score = <25

    My doctor thinks because my LDL-P and LDL-C were high, that I have a real problem. She didn't mention anything about the small LDL-P and she did not give me the test results until I left the office.

    Please help me decipher this.

    Thank you

  222. Jan

    Oh, and I do not have high blood pressure. And I’ve lost 10 lbs in last several months from eating healthier and exercising.

  223. Renae

    What is the reference range for” HDL-P Total”?

  224. Dear Mr. Sigurdsson,
    First let me commend you for so willingly giving of your time to respond to everyone’s inquiries and for having a more balanced approach over the drug pushing doctors I often encounter. I am looking for a doctor with a similar approach, but in the mean time I would love to share my story and hear your opinion.

    I suspect that I have FH. I am not 100% sure I have it, but there is a good chance because my father does, or at least that is what his doctors have been telling him. I still need to rule out hypothyroidism (which my mom has), but I am fairly sure one of the two is affecting me. Here’s a little history if anyone is interested…

    My dad had a triple bypass surgery at 30 and numerous procedures since. His dad died of heart attack in his 50′s, cousin had a triple bypass at 18, his uncle died of heart attack at 32 bending over to tie his shoe, and even his mom had a stroke at 60.

    I was vegetarian for 15 years, during which time I ate 90% organic, lots of whole grains, some dairy (not raw) and no eggs, ever. After 3 pregnancies/nursing relationships I felt totally depleted. I started eating eggs, then raw dairy and now grassfed meats/organs/fermented cod oil and lots of vegetables and some fruit (we raise most of our own meat and veggies and fruits).

    I had trouble digesting, still low energy (but better then when vegetarian) and generally not feeling as good as I should for being 36, fairly active (have a farm), still was ~ 25 lbs over weight. Last summer I did full Paleo, no grain, no milk, no sugar for 2.5 months coupled with High Intensity Interval exercises 2x week, sprints 1x week, some weights, and walking and of course farm work. I was also still nursing a toddler. I gained several pounds on this protocol and really began to be suspicious. Plus my LDL went up 100 points in 4 years since decreasing carbs and adding meat/eggs.

    A paleo/Wapf nutritionist/metabolic typing friend had me do some blood work, then a modified GAPS for three weeks to cleanse my gut (less fat, lots of geletin, bone broth, well cooked veggies, stew, no fruit, no raw food). My LDL went up 23 points in two months to 261. Here are my numbers:

    Vegetarian 2010 3/14/14 (Paleoish) 5/22/14
    Total Chol. 199 294 312
    Triglycerides 74 65 45
    HDL 45 43 42
    LDL 139 238 261
    Total:HDL 4.4 6.8 7.4
    LDL-P - - 2541
    Small LDL-P - - 564
    LP-IR score - - 38

    So my Triglycerides went down, so I am thinking it is not infection or insulin resistance.

Let me know what you think!